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Topic: Can we solely blame to the stock in judging red print?
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 21, 2005 06:58 PM
I just received 8mm Elvis "Paradise Hawaiian Style" released by the same company who released MGM series in USA (the clamshell box type). From the edge of the film it was obvious written Eastman. But the quality of the color was good. I could distinguish between blue, yellow, green and red. While the similar release from MGM "Gun of Sebastian" which also on Eastman sock was just red.
So, in judging the color quality, can we solely blame it to the print stock, or also Lab's process was also contributing to it.
How, can I identify that the reel was printed by a particular Lab. I knew, Andreas was expert in identyfing German labs, but my films are mostly US prints.
Or, my lovely Elvis is just waiting to go fade? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Thanks for your info,
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 22, 2005 12:00 AM
Trevor,
I knew that the way we store the film will have an impact to the color. But I did not see it become the biggest issue.
For example, since I joined this forum, I carefully stored the most beautiful color films (but Eastman) in a cool, dark and dry room. But now, I still noticed some of them are turning red. While, all my home movies (Kodachrome) which were shot since 1980's and never been stored in any carefull way, they are still colorful.
Explanation, please.
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Osi Osgood
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posted September 23, 2005 11:04 AM
I can't be absolutely sure on this, but i believe there are different varieties of the old Eastman stock. I also have an exceptional feature print (optical sound) of "Romance of a Horsethief" (1970) on Eastman and the color is superb.
Film labs have a lot to do with the color either turning pink or otherwise. From what I understand, to save money, some labs would actually "water down" (so to speak, probably not with water), thier solutions, which would give the film an obvious tendecy towards early fade.
I don't remember where the site is, but there is an excpetional website that describes the different film-stocks and there fade capabilities. There WERE different Eastman stocks during the heyday of super 8. Some have a very good fade quality, even for Eastman, while there are lesser Eastman stocks, those for instance, used on the later (early eighties) releases of Universal 8/Castle 8. I have a print of "Gorky Park" 1983, that already has the "Pinky" quality, still lots of color, but overall pink.
This is especially prevelant on the 82-83 american optical sound super 8 releases, as those producing them on super 8 knew that that these optical sound prints would have a short shelf life, as they would be shown for about a year and then retired, (oh, if only they knew!)
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 05, 2005 07:39 PM
Hi guys,
I finally managed to capture some pictures from the above Elvis movie which was printed on the most hated stock, EASTMAN!.
This reel was received from a seller in UK, but definetly printed in US by a company who also released the MGM series.
Look at to the picture, colours are so beautiful! Green, blue, red, yellow, brown (skin) are noticeable.
I took with digital movie camera and set the camera for indoor/light condition.
As other (auto focus) digital cameras, focus is unstable when taking picture in a dark room, so the actual screen is much clearer and sharper than the above pictures
I wish all 8mm movies will be like this.
Cheers,
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted October 09, 2005 12:55 AM
If I were standing on Kodak's side, can I say this:
"If you are eating an awful steak at a restaurant, don't solely blame it to the farmers (who farm the cows) but look at to the Chef, blame on him!".
Yeah... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Osi, you mentioned about "watering down", does it mean "thinnering" the chemical solution? If it does, so, it could be that some Chef (i.e. Lab) had tricked us with cheap process.
Kevin, you are right about Kodak SP, it is confirmed that my Marketing's Raiders of the Lost Ark has a color quality like LPP. I think this was printed in 1981.
Cheers,
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