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Pete Richards
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posted June 12, 2013 10:23 PM

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Derann did quite a few Disney features on Super8, can anyone comment on what the grain, colour, framing etc. are like?

I have a friend who is a Disney nut who has been disappointed with the changes made to the Bluray releases of the films. I was going to recommend he look at getting them in Super8. I know a few were released by Derann, but I have no idea what they were like.

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posted June 13, 2013 04:03 AM

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There are many collectors on here that are "dyed in the wool"
fans of Disney, and would heartily agree that the quality of the
prints that Derann produced are second to none.

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posted June 13, 2013 04:08 AM

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Thanks for the feedback, I didn't want to put him onto buying some super8 prints only to be disappointed.
He will be stoked to know there is another option other than old Laserdisc copies.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted June 13, 2013 05:23 AM

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Pete,take it from me that the Derann prints of Disney material
passed all the tests,the Disney Company were more than happy with the prints that Derann produced, lets face it, Disney made
sure that Derek Simmonds had the best material to work from.
As I said before,there are plenty of collectors on here that will
advise same.Just have a look through "search" to put your own
mind at ease.

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posted June 13, 2013 05:50 AM

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Derann were happy to sell their features on a part by part basis and I have the 600' part 3 of "Fantasia 2000".

This contains the sequence with Donald Duck as Noah leading all the animals into his ark to the sounds of "Land Of Hope And Glory". It's an absolutely fabulous print.

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Luis Caramelo
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posted June 13, 2013 06:31 AM

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derann,realy made a magnificent job about disney,s prints,i do have the feature of snow white and pinochio and they are stunning ,even the disney short ones are great(not all)just because of some stock used,but what concern to the features there,s no doubt they are a must to add to your collection,good luck in your search...

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posted June 13, 2013 07:48 AM

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Except for LIttle Mermaid. Soft focus throughout.
Peter Pan, Mary Poppins, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Stunning prints.
And more I'm sure.

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posted June 13, 2013 10:47 AM

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Do they keep the original aspect ratios and framing?

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Osi Osgood
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posted June 13, 2013 01:00 PM

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Hugh is right. Derann had Disney negatives straight from the Disney archives, and it really showed on the prints! (whether we are talking about the shorts or features).

In most cases, the ratio's are the original ratios, (even with the Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty, as these are both scope!)

I think one of the only exceptions was the Bambi print, which was released in the letterbox format. This is because Derann received from Disney the re-release version of the feature, and when they re-released it, Disney reformatted the image to correspond with modern letterboxing of films.

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posted June 13, 2013 01:37 PM

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Disney and Derann. A match made in heaven. [Smile]

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posted June 13, 2013 10:44 PM

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I'd agree that Derann Disney prints can be fantastic - I recall a friend mistakenly telling people he had seen 'Beauty on the Beast' on 16mm after seeing my Super 8 print - but there's no guarantee that any particular print will be wonderful. I had one that was badly slit throughout, sound faults, etc, so you still have to hope for the best unless you're buying from a very reliable source, like with anything else. And any buyer of 'Fantasia 2000' should be warned that ALL the prints are bluish.

I'd add that although 'The Little Mermaid' isn't as sharp as the others, I still find mine very pleasing to the eye and I wouldn't say it's soft compared to Super 8 releases in general, only when compared to a typical Disney feature.

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posted June 23, 2013 04:49 AM

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Does anyone know what year the Derann prints were made from the Negative?
I'm trying to ascertain whether they were made from a 'pre-computer restored' negative or one of the post 1994 rescanned and re-released versions.

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posted June 23, 2013 08:26 AM

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Disney sent Derann whatever current print was available, and that means if there was a recent release of a film that was restored, then Derann got it.

"Snow White" is an example of that, which was taken from the late 80's early 90's restoration. Not as extensive as the later further restoration for DVD/Blu-ray and much more pleasing to the eye.

As of the time that the Disney/Derann union was going on, there wasn't much restoration going forth. I'm not sure, but "FANTASIA" may have been another one that was struck rom a restored negative

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posted June 23, 2013 12:04 PM

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FANTASIA was never "officially" released by Derann or anybody else.Disregarding the bootleg Italian prints,which have been discussed extensively here,before,only The Sorcerer's Apprentice and Dance of the Hours were officially released as shorts.In later years,other episodes began to appear as "imports" or directly in second hand lists,but always in exquisite quality,although sometimes slightly truncated and with Deems Taylor's introductions all but eliminated.When all became available,collectors naturally joined them together,making a version of approximately 110 minutes long,out of the original's 120 minutes.

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posted June 24, 2013 12:00 AM

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Damn, I was hoping Snow White may have been pre-restoration.

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posted August 01, 2015 02:42 PM

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No need for any apology Rob. Your post was highly informative, written by a passionate admirer of the small guage using compassionate expressive language. It was highly accurate Rob and a very honest account of just how it can be in the modern era versus our glory days in quality manufacturing in GB when the mere mention of made in Britain was synonymous with quality, just like my my first company's reputation was!

As for Snow White, I have two prints of these and the second one is a collectors edition first run gold labelled numbered print.

It is simply superb and looks totally authentic to the era it was produced in. Whatever restoration has been done on this print,it is totally for the benefit of this print. Looks nothing like my Blu Ray image, not artificial looking or untrue to the original in any way, but print quality, clarity and colour palette is exceptional.

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posted August 01, 2015 03:11 PM

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Hi Pete
I would think your friend wouldn't be happy with the super 8 prints, if bluray couldn't please him then I wouldn't mention them, the cost of them for one has to be taken into consideration, used prints could have wear/damage and then which projector/lens to get the best picture does he choose, I've had quite a few Disney Deranns over the years and as good as they are they are not bluray quality, Mark

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posted August 01, 2015 05:58 PM

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On this particular print, no one wants Blu Ray quality Mark.
That is why the Super 8mm print is superb for anyone trying to recreate the nearest experience to watching the original film.

If someone were to find a print like the one described, I doubt anyone could or would be dissatisfied.

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posted August 02, 2015 12:03 AM

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I know there was an American release of Snow White before any restoration that had all the dust from the cells still printed in. This was done before the Derann release. I've only seen it once on Ebay and that was after the auction ended. There are also 16mm prints available. However, some go for really high prices especially if it is an I.B. Tech print.

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I bought two 200' Disney films. 'Sleeping Beauty' and 'Alice in Wonderland. On the screen 'Alice' was as good as anything I've seen on 16mm. Sadly, both have faded. That's one consideration to be taken into account when buying.

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posted August 02, 2015 07:21 AM

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The full length features and most of the later Derann Disney shorts will all have perfect colour thankfully. Two are a little suspect (not to my eyes though on the two of these I have), but otherwise all are either on Kodak LPP or Agfa stock or maybe even later Fuji stock so nothing at all to concern anyone colour wise on these Derann Disney prints.

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posted August 02, 2015 01:20 PM

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Sorry Andrew i missed the point, I still wouldn't recommend the features though if your friends (Pete's) are not into film, for the reasons I've mentioned, price, condition , projector etc, if he's into it then go for it as he will know what to expect cost and equipment wise, some of the video releases are true to the original films, still old technology and a lot cheaper, Mark

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Well I just had to open my JB Steelbook ( lovely and even better out of the wrapping ) and bung the Jungle Book Blu Ray on my XGA Hitachi ( just inder 1/3 rd of Full HD on 16/10. 1700 lumens on eco and 3000/1 contrast and I have to say it looks amazing.On a more contasty self set up setting than the cinema setting.

I can`t imagine wjhat it would be like on a WXGA or a HD machine.

I`d still prefer to own it on film. Just no way I could afford it or want to risk the stripe.

If the chap is fancying film for filmie reaons which would be nice it would be great. If not I`d recommend the Blu Ray too.

Do you have a decent super 8 projector you could lend your friend to try etc, though when he might get prints is a question.

What were the changes just out of interest anyone.

Wish I`d bought a few when you could pick them up for £80 odd.

Would anyone be prepared to lend this chap a Disney print as might get a convert onboard.

Best Mark.

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Jeepers Mark, now you are going to get me into steelbook collecting! [Big Grin]

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posted August 03, 2015 01:57 AM

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Paul, I totally agree, they look so nice, if you look carefully they don't have to cost a fortune either, Mark

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