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Topic: Elmo K110SM_Updated Mar31
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Mathew James
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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posted June 24, 2015 03:15 PM
Hi All,
As I mention in another thread, today I brought home an K110SM that is my father in law's projector. It has been somewhat buried the last several months after a move, but in GREAT shape.
Hardly used really.
As expected from how long it hasn't been used, the motor belt was broken, but thankfully, not the dreaded black goo! Rather, it had these little reddish-tanned specks on it..probably some sort of rubber breakdown.
I was surprised however that the take up belt looks MINT. I say looks, because i suspect that it would probably break as well given enough time, it is so old now.... I will be replacing both unless someone can confirm that the take-up belt is another material that indeed lasts forever...
I will try to post some pics of this to show how good condition it is otherwise.
Any info or pointers before I get too far into this is always appreciated!!!
Cheers,
Matt
EDIT: Wow, The Belt prices on these are insane!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-8-Elmo-K- 110SM-K-120SM-Projector-Belts-2-Belt-Set-/251953716274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa99c9c32
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PSS: If anyone knows the O.D.(outside diameter) of the motor belt, please let me know. I may try an o-ring, if i know the size...I would measure the belt in pic#1 above, but there was some broken bits as well and I'd rather be accurate....
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Mathew James
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Dec 2014
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posted June 25, 2015 09:06 AM
Hi All,
I think if the projector was 'officially' given to me to keep...I would then probably spend to have it fixed the way I would like it.
I don't feel I've spared any expense on the ST180 an St1200 I personally own, although I still feel the belt prices were steep. I think i paid only 12-14$ each for the 3 belts on the ST1200,and that was after trying to glue a belt(and that didn't hold).
I am always a 'try to repair first before purchasing new parts' type of person...a Macgyver really
@Steve, It is always a possibility that I will inherit this machine at some point, but I don't want to assume..I just want to get it working for him, because otherwise, it will never be repaired most likely. If it were my own machine, then I probably would repair it...but I feel I would still try to get the rubber cheaper...
I have about 4 or 5 8mm films I have obtained that I have never watched and would like to because the bulb went on the B&H 8mm projector and I have never replaced it(i refuse to spend $70+, the machine itself is not worth that).
@Frank, Thanx so much for this info! You have just saved me at least half and for that I am very grateful. Like I say, the toothed belt looks MINT, so I leave it be in hopes it may last and just replace the motor belt....and I will be looking closely at the delivery spindle and will let my father in law know we need to watch out that it may/will break! It is fantastic we have someone recreating some of these parts.
Thijs, thanx for the link as well! Always happy to save where possible!
Has anyone had experience with the shipping time from the Netherlands to US/Canada areas? Just curious as to that turnaround. It normally takes about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks just from the US to here when i buy from California area(that is with the lowest shipping price included with the ebay auction)....
Cheers,
Matt
PS: One last question... Does anyone know if the ST180 bulbs would work in this machine? I am just curious if the bulb is much different. Both are 100W with the same prongs i think.... I ask because i have a couple 100W bulbs here for my ST180 and should the bulb on the K110SM go, could i use the st180 bulb?
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Mathew James
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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posted June 25, 2015 09:53 AM
Yeah, this is FANTASTIC news! There is nothing better to me than the fact I can share these bulbs in 2 machines. Splendid!
I am not sure if my father in law is still interested.
The story is that about a year or so ago, our family was 'fleamarketing' as we love to do. Here in Hamilton where i live is a good centralized spot to hit several fleamarkets within an hour drive...so one day I stumbled on a big pile of Super 8's, mostly L&H and some lil Rascals etc... I paid $8 per film, including for blockheads 3 reeler...This started it for me...I had just recently been trying to watch the old super 8's of us as kids...so never knew actually that 'real' movies existed on this earlier format....
Of course, once i started, there was no stopping...I had the whole family saturated with super 8 talk and I was addicted...some here may be able to relate- he he:)
I started trying to find old movies from family, offering to repair and splice things, anything really....
My father in law was already packed when this happened to move from Burlington to Hamilton, and to be honest, I have bugged him endlessly to eventually find the goods, which he finally just did buried under several boxes. I need to speak with him again soon///My wife says she kinda remembers another projector ,and i found that Copal CP77 manual, so I am wondering if he may have that somewhere too....
I think that once this one is working again, I may get him re-interested, but only from a 'home movie' point of view. I cannot see him interested beyond that. I tried showing a L&H once when they were over but they talked right through it(it was a sound film too)
One good thing is that he always filmed on pretty good colour film. I can see the major difference between his home movies and our own families which have faded in several places by now. I know it may sound nosey, but I was really interested to see my wifes family before I knew them, especially my wife as a baby to compare to our own 3 kids. Such fun times!
Cheers,
Matt
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Mathew James
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posted February 11, 2016 06:58 AM
Hi Pat,
Thanx very much for the advice, which I tried last evening.
It is weird. No matter how loose or tight i try setting the spring, it is still slipping.
In testing, I even tried putting it overtight(spring compressed good) and it still slipped.
Next, i removed the two front screws to the take up arm and looked at the gears under there, and they looked great and moved well.
After watching some more videos and giving this more thought, i think it must be the drive belt slipping. I replaced the main belt but not this drive belt as it seemed ok, but it may be consider loose so i think i should try that before proceeding...
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Mathew James
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posted February 16, 2016 08:30 AM
Thanx Edwin!
I took apart the arm shaft and checked the gears, but failed to go into the reel holder. I will try that next!
I have ordered a new belt that drives the reels 'just-in-case' the belt is loose enough, but perhaps it is indeed a cracked reel holder.
Stay tuned!!!
EDIT- Had a chance to take apart and clean both arms and gears. I have placed pics here for others with similar issues.
Edwin, my Supply Side Reel Holder has cracks in it(3 in total, where the allen key points are for 2)!!! This must be the issue i am thinking! I cannot tell if this side is slipping as my problem is on the take up side, but i think they are attached in movement by the belt which drives both reel holders.
Featured here is the Dreaded Pink Goop(aka old lubricant to be replaced with new goop- aka Superlube).
This is the take up arm reel-
Ahhh...Nice and clean...That's better! Thanx Steve for pointing me to this great goop!
You want to sing 'Supergoop Supergoop' while putting this on sung to the tune of 'Super Freak Super freak'(Rick James) It helps pass the time...
Load Arm Side Gears-
Cracked Reel Holder!!!
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Mathew James
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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posted February 25, 2016 11:52 AM
I need the Dogtor!!!
Well, the new belt came in today.
unfortunately, the issue is not the belt, so that is now ruled out.
I had the parts right down looking at the cork and everything. I think the issue must be deeper.
The pic above of the cracked reel holder is on the other side and does not affect this issue as far as i can see.
Can some one tell me more on what the 'clutch' does. I read some references to a clutch, but i can't find any info on it. I just want to see whether it may be clutch related or not.
Any help is appreciated.Thanx.
New Top Belt
Before I cleaned all the parts-btw, that little pin that goes into the shaft is a buggar to work with. I used a long needle nose pliers to take out the pin and put it back in, in order to remove cork.
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