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Richard Clark
Junior
Posts: 27
From: london
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 20, 2003 10:46 AM

I have found a remarkable side effect to using fine optical grade silicone oil as a lubricant on films as it seems to make the mag tracks glide through the heads with no brown dust coming off any more! this has got to mean that there is less wear on the mag tracks!.
Also when i say silicone oil i dont mean that thick stuff it has to be really thin like water and just put a squirt on a cotton cloth and run through the rewind arms .

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Tony Milman
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1336
From: United Kingdom
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 21, 2003 02:26 AM

Richard, where can this optical grade silicon oil be purchased from?

Tony

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Richard Clark
Junior
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From: london
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 21, 2003 01:47 PM

Hi Tony with regards to the fine grade silicone oil our company buys this direct from an electrolube distributor such as RS
visit: www.rswww.com/
I dont think you need an account just phone order using a credit card and here is rs part number: 331-1959
And here is the technical data :

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION: Silicone Oil Aerosol DATE: 02/99

PRODUCT CODE: OSL400 PAGES: 1

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION

Electrolube’s Silicone Oil Aerosol is a high quality multi-purpose mechanical lubricant. The Silicone Oil Aerosol is 100% Ozone Friendly.

PRODUCT USE

For all general and light duty mechanical lubrication purposes. One brief spray of OSL gives long term lubrication on line printers, keyboards, platens, bearings etc. Silicone Oil Aerosol may also be used as a release agent in moulding and casting operations. May be used both at work and home. Do not use near electrical contacts or motor brushes. Product contains flammable solvent therefore do not spray onto live electrical equipment or other sources of ignition.

FEATURES

* High quality silicone spray.

* Excellent water repellency.

* Excellent electrical insulating compound and sealant.

* Excellent lubricant with good adhesion.

* Available in aerosol form for quick, clean and efficient application.

TYPICAL PROPERTIES (of the deposited oil)

Colour: Colourless

Specific Gravity: 0.90

Flash Point: >250°C

Viscosity (at 20°C): 200cSt

Pour Point: <-45°C

PACKAGING ORDER CODE

400ml Aerosol OSL400

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Tony Milman
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: United Kingdom
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 21, 2003 04:20 PM

Richard,

Thanks for taking such trouble with the posting. Much appreciated. By the description it would seem to have many uses around the home!

Tony

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Richard Clark
Junior
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From: london
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 24, 2003 02:10 PM

Ok Tony thats no problem but let me know how you get on if you try this product as i think you will be amazed
Best Regards Richard...

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Kevin Faulkner
Film God

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From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 27, 2003 10:44 AM

Sounds like excellent stuff. May give it a try myself. I use isoprop for cleaning muck off my films so adding some of this sounds like a great idea especially as the isoprop evapourates very quickly.
Have you had to re-apply at all or does it seem to last for a long time. How long have you been using this combination.
It may also be available from Maplin Electronic's who have various stores arround the UK. I will check that one out.

Kevin.

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Tony Milman
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: United Kingdom
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 27, 2003 11:45 AM

Kev,

I am a cresclean man given that it hides the old running lines really well (BTW Duncan I also use the Derann product!!) but will give this a try as well- Richard, do you find it has a similar impact on those fine black lines?

Tony [Cool]

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Alan Rik
Film God

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From: New York City, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 27, 2003 12:06 PM

Hi-
What is the best way to apply the lubricant? When I use to work in a film prep lab, we use to have the reels on the table and it was easy, wind slowly and then apply with a cloth. These little square ones we use to get at Christies Editorial in Hollywood. But now that I am in my home, what is the best way that you guys can recommend? I don't have room for rewinds here.
Suggestions?

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Brad Kimball
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Highland Mills, NY USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 27, 2003 05:10 PM

What about an old projector that you don't use for watching films? Like an old Keystone or GAF?

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Kevin Faulkner
Film God

Posts: 4071
From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 27, 2003 06:17 PM

I just use my Goko RM8008 editor and wind the film from spool to spool slowly between some soft cloth soaked with Cresclean.
Works really well and this editor takes 1200ft spools.

Kevin.

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Richard Clark
Junior
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From: london
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 28, 2003 05:44 PM

What i do is use a ELMO 912 editor to clean my films by using the arms as a rewinding tool.
I always clean the films with isopropanol first and then check the film on the editor and then lubricate using the optical lubricant applied to a cloth(cotton).
Also the little guide rolers on projectors and editors really benefit from a squirt from this lubricant as it cant hurt the film as silicone is inert to film .
Best Regards
Richard..

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James N. Savage 3
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Washington, DC
Registered: Jul 2003

posted July 29, 2003 08:55 AM

Hey guys- just wanted to point out something for those that may have been experiencing the same problem as me.

In the past year or two, I was having severe shaking problems with certain films. It seemed worse with recently processed kodachrome film and recent releases from Classic Home Cinema.
For some reason, the Derann films run perfectly fine. (My Sankyo ST-800 is very sensitive, as I didn't have this problem on my Canon Cano-sound projector).

Anyway, under the advise of Steve Osborne / Reel Image, I purchased and applied Filmrenew onto these problem films. After this, the films ran perfectly!

FYI- The way I apply the Filmrenew is that I wind the film onto a metal reel and hold a lint - free cloth with the liquid on it. I usually put more liquid on the cloth every 100 feet or so, depending on how badly the film was jumping. I then leave the film (wound backward) on the metal reel for about two days. I then rewind it back onto the original reel (no wiping necessary) and its done!

I'm not sure if this is the best way, but it seems to work just fine for me. Nick.

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Douglas Meltzer
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From: New York, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted July 29, 2003 12:24 PM

Alan,
I don't have much room either but I wanted to use rewinds to save projector wear and tear & for cleaning. I bought a pair of Craig 16mm rewinds on eBay for $20 and ordered the 16mm/Super 8 brass adaptors from The Reel Image. I took two 23"x 8" shelves and joined them lengthwise with a 3" hinge. With the rewinds mounted at the edge of the shelves I have a portable rewind table with a distance of 40" between rewinds that folds up for storage. I use FilmGuard on soft cotton cloth strips which I change(depending on the film's condition) approx every 150'.
Doug

[ July 29, 2003, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]

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I think there's room for just one more film.....

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