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Pasquale De Marco
Junior
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From: Hewitt, New Jersey
Registered: Jul 2005


 - posted August 10, 2005 11:36 AM      Profile for Pasquale De Marco   Email Pasquale De Marco   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Folks,

My name is Pat De Marco. I've lurked for a while.
This seems like an interesting and civilized board.

I'm looking for a Projector with the following characteristics:

1) Can handle both 8mm & Super8.
2) Is durable.
3) Relatively good availability of bulbs, belts etc...
4) Is portable.
5) Can handle sound.

I realize finding all of the above in one machine is not likely but I'd like to get as many as possible.

Thanks in advance.

Pat De Marco

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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From: Ortona, Italy
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 - posted August 10, 2005 11:45 AM      Profile for Maurizio Di Cintio   Email Maurizio Di Cintio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As far as I know, I'd suggest Eumig Mark S 804D or higher from the 800 range. Easy to find on ebay.com

Good luck

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted August 10, 2005 01:28 PM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Pasquale, welcome to the forum.
I'll back up the suggestion: any Eumig in the 800 series (my favorite is the 810).

JM

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Steven Sigel
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 - posted August 10, 2005 03:53 PM      Profile for Steven Sigel   Email Steven Sigel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I wouldn't try to get a projector to play both super 8 and standard 8 -- you're much better off with 2 projectors... All of the best super 8 projectors are super 8 only (ELMO ST and GS series, Sankyos, etc)...

The absolute best projector is the ELMO GS-1200 -- nothing comes close. They're not cheap but they're really great machines...

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Tim Christian
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 - posted August 10, 2005 05:13 PM      Profile for Tim Christian   Author's Homepage   Email Tim Christian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ideal but not realistic.

If you want both R8 and S8 sound the only sensible route is a dual gauge. Again this points to Eumig. Unless you are trying to fill a very big screen (more than 24 sq ft (2.5 sq m)), or an 8 ft wide scope screen, a 100 W dual gauge is fine. And Eumigs are more reliable than Elmos - and easier to fix!

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Steven Sigel
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 - posted August 10, 2005 07:19 PM      Profile for Steven Sigel   Email Steven Sigel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With all due respect Tim -- what's unrelalistic about having two projectors? I've probably got 20. And BTW - I find Elmo much more reliable than any other super 8 projector I've ever used.

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Tim Christian
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 - posted August 11, 2005 02:44 AM      Profile for Tim Christian   Author's Homepage   Email Tim Christian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What R8-only sound projectors are there constructed during the '70s/'80s using solid-state electronics and easy-to-find (and affordable) lamps?

As for reliability, it is inevitable that, given the use of same-generation components, simpler machines will be more reliable than more complex machines. Anyway, count the number of Elmo problems reported on this list compared with Eumig problems!

My preference for Eumig 800s is based on the following considerations, in addition to those above:

- they are simple enough to maintain, given that spares are vanishing

- no belts are used in the transmission

- they provide enough light for my usual audience size (up to about 25)

- if I want a brighter lamps, I can fit a 150 W with little difficulty.

Given these considerations, they are much better value for money in today's second-hand market.

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Kevin Faulkner
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 - posted August 11, 2005 04:44 AM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
Or does that mean that there were more Elmo's sold than Eumigs? [Wink]

Kev.

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GS1200 Xenon with Elmo 1.0...great combo along with a 16-CL Xenon for that super bright white light.

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Colin Robert Hunt
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 - posted August 11, 2005 05:51 AM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my experience a good condition Elmo ST1200 or a later twin track version would be a good bet. The 1200HD I have has been running films since 1983 and that was bought seconhand. These projectors have everything you need. 1200ft spools, easy to clean the gate. They are auto thread and you can unload the film halfway through the film if you need. They have a nice sound and light output and are very tolerant of sound stripe variations that some film releases sometimes occur. Being mostly mechanical in operation dont give 9 times out of 10 any problems. The Eumig's 800 series are great machines again, but spool size is smaller. Unthreading film is more difficult and gate cleaning requires the cover to be taken off and the inportant thing is to make sure the dot on the inching know is set so the claw is retracted so you can take the two gate halves out to clean. The ball and disk drive have been commented on has giving probems, but not had any myself on my old 70's 710D. You could buy a 800 series Eumig for Std8 only

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Paul Adsett
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Like Tim, I am a big fan of Eumig's. I like their simple, uncomplicated, but rugged designs. The 800 series are all superb, and you really cannot go far wrong getting anyone of these, paricularly the better HQS models. The 900 series are better, having much less mains hum than the 800's, but stay clear of the coaxial reel models 900 thru 930 which can be hard on film. The top of the line 938/940 stereo models are superb designs, with a beautiful outboard mixing console, flawless auto thread system, conventional 2 sprocket film path, very quiet, and stunning stereo sound quality.
Elmo's are beautiful machines of course, but as Tim notes, they are much more complex than Eumig's, and do seem to be more fussy.

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Gary Crawford
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 - posted August 11, 2005 11:27 AM      Profile for Gary Crawford   Email Gary Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes , to find a standard 8 only sound model..or silent for that matter ....you have to get much older machines.....the Mark S Eumig, for example...a great machine, but lots of ac hum...and even bulbs are a little hard to come by. I use Eumig 810D's for standard 8 only and have been very pleased. And I run Elmo st1200HD's for Super 8. That way I don't have to worry about converting from Standard 8 to Super. In the days of Standard 8, 400 feet was , for the most part , the largest reels you had, so this restriction is really not a problem. There were a ton of 810's sold as video was starting to come in and it is very easy to get 810d's on Ebay or whatever....machines with little , if any use. I've managed to buy two on Ebay that were virtually brand new in the box models, over the last three years.

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Pasquale De Marco
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 - posted August 13, 2005 07:29 AM      Profile for Pasquale De Marco   Email Pasquale De Marco   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks guys !

I was concerned there would be too many recommendations but this is nicely focused - quite manageable. I had heard of Elmo and I like the idea of solid state design with Eumig.

FWIW, if I had to go without one of my desired characteristics it would be sound. I wonder if that would change the recommendation at all.

Thanks again.

Pat De Marco

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Jan Bister
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From: Ohio, USA
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 - posted August 13, 2005 10:21 AM      Profile for Jan Bister   Email Jan Bister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmm. Well, how about the Bolex 18-5 for regular 8mm movies...

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-BOLEX-PAILLARD-18-5-SWISS-MADE-PROJECTOR-8-MM_W0QQitemZ7538396838QQcategoryZ15253QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It does come in a super-8 version as well (slightly different model name, not sure what it is right now). Hmm, there are zillions of good silent projectors out there, and just as many bum ones. I'd stick with Elmo and Eumig, actually. [Wink]

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