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Dan Lail
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From: Loganville, Georgia, USA
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posted March 19, 2006 06:03 PM

What is a good standard 8 sound projector? Also, what is the brightest light you can use with ste 8 sound? Reel capacity too?

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted March 20, 2006 01:12 AM

Dan, try the Eumig dual format 700 or 800 series (12V/100W lamp, 600ft capacity).

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Tim Christian
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From: Norfolk, UK
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posted March 20, 2006 01:30 AM

I have quite a lot of R8 sound, some of which I've striped myself, and very good most of it is. I use 800 series Eumigs and have had no problems.

As mentioned before, I modified a Eumig 802 to use a 150 W, EJM lamp. This machine now with a f/1.3 lens fills a 6 x 4'6" screen, which is fine for shows with an audience of 30 or so.

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Gary Crawford
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From: Manassas, VA. USA
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posted March 20, 2006 03:01 PM

I agree .....I use the Eumig 810d's for standard 8 and they are very good . The eumig 824d sonomatic is good, too. Has really decent sound....less inherent hum than most eumigs.

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Joe Caruso
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posted March 21, 2006 08:02 AM

In Std 8 Sound, I need any RKO Leon Errol and Edgar Kennedy shorts - Shorty

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Alan Rik
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posted March 21, 2006 09:46 PM

Dan,
You should have let me know earlier! I just auctioned off a Mint Eumig 824S in the box with all the accessories! Our new member Carlos was the winner of that little gem. If I come across another one I will let you know....

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 10, 2006 08:28 PM

"I agree .....I use the Eumig 810d's for standard 8 and they are very good . The eumig 824 sonomatic is good, too. Has really decent sound....less inherent hum than most eumigs."

I must endorse Gary's words above. I haven't made much use of a 824 that I obtained last year, but last night I ran a film (a Walton Std 8 'Fireball XL5' episode) that I used to think had reasonable sound on the 802 and the 810 that I used to own. There was a marked improvement on the 824 and I'd now rate the sound on the film as excellent.

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Craig Hamilton
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posted April 11, 2006 11:58 AM

The only duel sound machine I own at the moment is the Eumig S710D. I am thinking of upgrading to the S810D.

Is there much difference in the performance of these models? Both look very similar in appearance. Does the 810 suffer from a clattering bottom loop?

Craig

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Gary Crawford
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posted April 12, 2006 07:45 AM

I have two 810 D's and have never had any clattering problems of any kind ....nice steady picture.....fairly quiet running...the loudest sound being that motor sound when you plug it in . I use them only for standard 8.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 12, 2006 07:48 AM

Craig,
Wondered why you're not considering an 824? I like the extra features they have (including a tone control) so I wondered if anyone thinks the 810 is superior in any respects?

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Craig Hamilton
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From: Luton
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posted April 12, 2006 07:51 PM

Adrian, after an email from Uncle Ian, I did some research in to the 824 & have concluded that I now want this model.

If any of you guys here in the UK have a Eumig 824 for sale, please let me know. Cleethorps is a long drive to buy one from Classics.

Craig

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 13, 2006 07:00 AM

Craig,
Good luck, hope you find one before long. The only problem is I get the impression that there are considerably less of them around than the 810s. In fact, when I bought mine via eBay last year, I think it was the first time I actually managed to have a good look at one!

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Craig Hamilton
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posted April 13, 2006 07:16 AM

Phil at Classic Home Cinema has two in stock. If no one on the forum has one for sale then I will make the trip to Cleethorpes. I know Phil will post the projector, but I like to see before I buy and run a quick test.

Adrian, just out of curiosity, is the 824 much quieter than the 810?

Craig

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Gary Crawford
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posted April 13, 2006 08:02 AM

The 824's are a nicer machine in a couple of respects. My 824d's have on and off switches so they can stay plugged in all the time without the motors running. They have frame counters for those who need them. I think they have superior sound....less hum ...better reproduction...they have a little tone control. The reason I still use the 810's is that , for some reason, on the three 824's I've owned, I cannot get the things to focus properly....one side of the screen or the other always seems to be slightly out of focus. I've tried everything I know...to no avail....so I went back to the 810's. It may be total coincidence, but that's been my experience with the 824's.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted April 13, 2006 08:43 AM

In terms of the sound of the projector running, I didn't notice a significant difference between the 824 and the 802 and 810 that I used to own.

I'd say the main advantage of the 824 is the sound quality and tone control, plus the bright 1.2 lens, if compared to a non-LUX 810. However other worthwhile features include the levelling adjustment, the low/high lamp setting, the integral trimmer and the 2 track sound options.

I haven't had the focus problems that Gary has had, although the focus knob has the typical Eumig 'uneven' effect when you turn it.

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Craig Hamilton
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posted April 22, 2006 06:37 AM

Adrian, I have sent you a PM.

Craig

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Carlos Plaza
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From: Setauket, NY USA
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posted April 23, 2006 10:34 AM

I recently picked up a Eumig 824 from another forum member (Alan Rik) in order to get good sound out of standard 8 films. Needless to say, using the line out, the sound is great with both Standard and Super 8 films, but there is still some hum, which I minimize by applying a 60/120 Hz filter before it gets to the external amp. The auto threading so far has been flawless, although I would always recommend that with old films, ala Blackhawk, etc., that a new white leader be added to the head of the film. This helps the auto thread work well...at least on the Eumig 824 and the Bolex SM8. I hope you find an 824...great machine. I also recomment that if you could get one from Alan...you will get a good deal.

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Tom Photiou
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posted April 23, 2006 12:54 PM

We ourselves have the 822sonomatic. I dont think i have seen this particular model although im sure apart from its colour and the lens its probably much the same as the 824. A very nice machine to,excellent sound and very quite running, So far it hasnt suffered with slowing down that many of these models inherit.
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Craig Hamilton
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posted April 26, 2006 07:00 AM

Adrian, I have sent you another PM.

If anyone is interested, or needs information. I now have a copy of the service manual for the Eumig 824.

Chris Quinn, if you read this can you contact me. I need the use of your scanner so I can forward this manual to the Manuals section of this forum for all to access.

Models covered in this repair manual are the 822 823 & 824

Craig

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Chris Quinn
Master Film Handler

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From: England, Bedfordshire.
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posted April 28, 2006 01:10 AM

Ain't got no scanner, it broke. [Frown]

Chris.

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Craig Hamilton
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From: Luton
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posted May 03, 2006 09:07 AM

Adrian, check your PM messages [Wink]

Chris, not a problem. Phone me when you buy a new one. [Big Grin]

Craig

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Tony Milman
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From: United Kingdom
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posted May 03, 2006 12:16 PM

I have one that aint broken [Big Grin]

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Mark Todd
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posted May 03, 2006 12:24 PM

Tony have a look under your arm pit.
best Mark.
I mean mission control.
Best Mark.

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