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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 10, 2006 05:25 PM

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FFR in Geramny have got for sale some metal input guides for the GS and ST 600,160 & 180 etc machines. I'm going to try to order one and see how they perform.
Take a look here: http://www.ffr-film.de/Katalog/index.htm

Scroll down to: ELMO S8 Zubehör

Now scroll down the great collection of parts etc for the GS and you will see the metal input guides [Smile]

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Paul Adsett
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posted May 10, 2006 07:44 PM

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Very interesting Kev. Looks like they will supply an HTI conversion, and what is that weird single bladed shutter all about?

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 10, 2006 07:54 PM

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Looks like a good idea, although at around £50 + postage, I wonder if they are made of platinum!

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Jan Bister
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posted May 11, 2006 12:01 AM

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Paul, that's not really a single-bladed shutter... You're supposed to put three of these together to build your own switchable 2/3-blade shutter. [Smile]

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Does look weird at first, though!

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 11, 2006 01:02 AM

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Yes Jan it does look a little strange. They certainly have some interesting stuff. Notice they sell Wurker tape patches [Smile]

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and yes it does look like they do their own HTI conversion sync pulse units.

Certainly a site to bookmark [Smile]

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Antoine Orsero
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posted May 11, 2006 04:58 AM

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Thank you very much Kevin!

Very interesting:

Motorregelplatine GS1200
Best.- Nr.:
Stück / €

- Motorreglerpatine des ELMO GS1200.
- Wir liefer Typ II kompatibel zu allen GS1200

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Speed Messer

Best.- Nr.:
Stück / €

Dieses kleine Messgerät ermöglicht die Messung der Bildfrequenz des Projektors. Sie halten ihn an das Objektiv und können die Frequenz in Hz ablesen

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Ricky Daniels
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posted May 11, 2006 05:12 AM

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Kevin,
What a great website, thanks for the link [Smile]

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Jan Bister
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posted May 11, 2006 09:19 AM

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Oh, yes, I bookmarked the site as soon as I noticed the Wurker splices. [Big Grin]

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What more, they even appear to have ESS sync modules (much like Pedro's box) for both PAL and NTSC frequencies. One does 18/24fps, and the other does 16-2/3 and 25fps, all with quartz precision. !!!

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Dimitrios Kremalis
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posted May 11, 2006 09:35 AM

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Jan,
They don't offer NTSC boxes. The 18/24fps box is mainly for filmers, while the other is to synchronize with vintage silent movies at 16-2/3 and PAL at 25fps.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 11, 2006 05:08 PM

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Yes true NTSC should run at 23.97 FPS and not 24. I think the .97 is right?

I think it's great that this company are supporting us GS owners so well. I emailed them today about the guides and had some really good email exchanges with them. Very knowledgeable, helpful and friendly.

I think they will probably sell quite a few of those guides now and lets face it Metal will not wear like that plastic does.

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Paul Adsett
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posted May 11, 2006 06:38 PM

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But will metal guides eliminate the film scratch problems on the GS1200?

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 11, 2006 06:40 PM

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"I think it's great that this company are supporting us GS owners so well."

I bet some of the executives at Elmo would find it amazing and thought-provoking to know how many new products are being sold today, in connection with a projector that they stopped making around 20 years ago!

"But will metal guides eliminate the film scratch problems on the GS1200?"

I suppose it's probably the best guide to have in metal, although I have a GS with extra rollers added to both this guide and the one above it, and I've never had problems with scratches.

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Paul Adsett
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posted May 11, 2006 06:56 PM

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Hi Adrian,
Where did you get the GS1200 guides with rollers?

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 11, 2006 07:19 PM

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Hi Paul,

Mine were modified around the time I got my first GS in 1989, by Dave Locke, who is well known in the UK for specialised services regarding GSs. I'd better not imply that he still offers this now, though, without checking with him.

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posted May 11, 2006 10:01 PM

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Dimitrios/Kevin: oops! You're right, 24fps is not true NTSC - 23.970fps is. Nonetheless, I would imagine that the 16/25fps box is usable for syncing with PAL DVDs since they're transferred at 25fps, and the sound is accordingly a bit faster. As far as the 16 2/3fps speed is concerned, I believe that's for the transfer/capture of 18fps home movies to PAL video (three interlaced fields to one super-8 frame).

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 16, 2006 05:14 PM

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Modifying these guides is quite straight forward with a little time and patience. I have modded the first sprocket guide on my GS as for me I think this one is the worst for wear and its wear you cant see to easily.

The input guide can be removed very easily and checked. Its even possible to use the GS without the input guide although it does make threading a little more difficult.

I do have one of the new Metal guides on it's way to me from Germany and will report on my findings as soon as it arrives.

Kev.

[ May 18, 2006, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: Kevin Faulkner ]

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John Clancy
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posted May 17, 2006 02:54 AM

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Wouldn't the GS look fantastic if all those green film path guides could be replaced with chrome versions?

I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion of the replacement guide Kevin.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 17, 2006 03:25 AM

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FFR Have been selling these on eBay and now have another one on offer.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9727486347&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1

John, if its here in time I'll bring it along to the BFCC for you and Keith to have a look at.

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Joerg Niggemann
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posted May 17, 2006 04:49 AM

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Hi all,

this is my first posting on this forum. My name is Joerg, I live in Taunusstein, Germany and got my first defective GS1200 some weeks ago from ebay. Searching for information about the GS, I found this great forum and got the manual from the download section (thanks Kevin!). After 2 weeks of work and replacing the claw with a new one, the GS is running smooth and silent now and I'm very satisfied with the performance.

Since my way to FFR Film is about 5 minutes, I got the metal input guide there. It's a nice piece of work and fits perfectly to the GS. After about 2 hours running time, the metal looks like "polished" where it is in contact with the film edges, but I think this is quite normal.

I'm still waiting for the original input guide to return from Wittner's "modification"...

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 17, 2006 05:35 AM

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Hi Joerg,

Welcome to the forum. Thats interesting that you are not far from FFR and have been able to try the new guide. Yes the film will polish the guide like it does on the plastic original but as long as it does not wear away then we are onto a winner.

Great to hear that you have managed to change the claw on your GS did you change the shutter blade to a 2 blade while you had it stripped down? FFR also sell the 2 blade shutters.

Anyway enjoy the forum and lets hope we hear more form you in the future.

Kev.

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Joerg Niggemann
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posted May 17, 2006 06:20 AM

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Kevin,

no I didn't change the shutter. I really thought about that, but my good old "home movies" should also run on the GS at 18fps. For the future, I will get into a conflict when going for my first cinemascope feature with the need for more light. I think the only solution will be a second GS 1200 with 2 blade shutter :-).

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posted May 17, 2006 09:49 AM

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 17, 2006 04:08 PM

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Pleased to say that I have mine now. It's like looking at the original Elmo input guide except that it's made from ally...cast ally at that I think.
It's exactly the same as the original as if it came out of the same mould's except its not hollow like the original.
It fitted straight onto the GS xenon without any fiddling about and worked a treat. I'm not sure but I think it makes the machine run quieter at the top sprocket and thats probably because the film is not vibrating against the plastic input guide but a more rigid and securely fitted metal guide.
I think FFR have to be congratulated where this guide is concerned and I would certainly say to others that they shouldnt hesitate in getting one even at the cost of £50 GBP. Lets face it with inflation etc thats probably what the cost of a new plastic one from Elmo would cost if they were still made.

I have included a couple of pics of the guide so that you can hopefully see how exact to the original they are. Excuse the colour but I had to take them with articfical light to cut down flare etc which I would otherwsie have got with flash.

So there we have it...new input guides for the GS1200, ST600, ST180. These will not fit the ST1200 or 800 range of machines.

Kev

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 17, 2006 07:26 PM

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Wow, that looks so impressive that I won't even 'nit pick' about it not having the little arrow on the side!

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted May 18, 2006 04:24 PM

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Adrian, Especially for you. I had a few sheets of Vinyl self adhesive arrows cut out at work today. [Smile]

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So if you or anyone else gets one of these you can now have an arrow.

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