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Keith Ashfield
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posted March 11, 2007 06:17 PM

Can anyone give me any info on the quality of the Red Fox 6 x 400ft version of POLTERGIEST please? Regards and thanks, Keith.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 11, 2007 07:33 PM

I have personally heard that this print is pretty good overall.
Bear in mind that this Poltergeist is NOT in scope. It's a flat print.

Also bear in mind, that Red Fox prints have been known to have varying speeds of fade. Bearing the title in mind, however, it might be a LPP print, but I would verify that if I were you first.

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posted March 12, 2007 03:49 AM

I haven't seen the flat prints but would advise you stick out for an early 'Scope print as they're amongst the best ever issued on Super 8.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted March 12, 2007 04:16 AM

I sold my Red Fox flat print last year and colours were really good.

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Dimitrios Kremalis
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posted March 12, 2007 07:05 AM

Were all 4x600ft prints in scope?

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 12, 2007 09:49 AM

My Poltergeist is scope and 4X600ft., but that doesn't mean the others are.

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Dimitrios Kremalis
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posted March 12, 2007 01:31 PM

Are there two versions of 4x600ft, one in scope and one in flat?
Or the only flat version is the 6x400ft?

[ March 12, 2007, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: Dimitrios Kremalis ]

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 12, 2007 05:29 PM

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen any Red Fox release on reels larger than 400'. I think that even the Red Fox features that Derann re-released were on 400' reels.

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Keith Ashfield
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posted March 12, 2007 06:29 PM

Hi Dimitrios. The Red Fox Version is 6 x 400ft reels and it is "flat" format. I have managed to purchase a brand new, sealed copy, from Germany, so when it arrives, I'll let all know what the quality is like. [Wink]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted March 13, 2007 02:24 PM

Keith
I have a copy of Poltergiest flat Red Fox 6/400ft version, and the print I have is LPP I watched it last night, first time in many many years, I thought I will just watch the first reel only, well that led to reel 2 reel 3 ....4....5.....6 so much for watching just reel one. The colour is good, rock steady image, I found in this print on certain reels, the focus to be a lttle bit soft on the middle and long shots, close ups looked great, on the sound side OK could be better, but those are only minor flaws, your new print might not have, its certainly well worth getting.

Graham. [Smile]

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Keith Ashfield
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posted March 13, 2007 03:10 PM

Thanks for that encouraging reply. Glad my question prompted you to enjoy a classic thriller/horror, once again. It is amazing how you can get enthralled in something that you "take for granted". How many people have watched the T.V. to say "Oh no! not that film again. How many times has that been shown!" and then sit down and watch it all over again. That's the beauty of being film fanatics I guess. I should be getting my copy of Poltergiest early next week, so I will be able to judged for myself.

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Tom Photiou
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posted May 18, 2017 04:20 PM

I have just purchased this title from a fellow forum member, patiently awaiting delivery in early June. Have to say i havnt looked forward to film as much as this for many many years.
It is the Red Fox flat print but i can wait no longer for a scope one as they never appear [Wink]

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Bruno Heughebaert
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posted May 18, 2017 05:00 PM

I have an early kempski scope print. Beautiful pictures mounted on one 2400 reel.(not for sale).

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Melvin England
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posted May 18, 2017 05:32 PM

Tom - You won't be disappointed in the picture and sound quality.
The only place where the flat version does let itself down slightly is in the scene in the kitchen when the chairs stack themselves. The effect does fall a little flat (pun not intended). Nevertheless, great to see on the big screen.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 18, 2017 05:39 PM

I just love the added sharpness and brightness on screen from the flat prints. I just don't get this whole "has to be scope" thing when we are talking Super 8mm.

Give me one fast and sharp lens only, everyday for Super 8mm viewing.

I have many scope prints and I enjoy them, but I always crave sharpness of image and brilliance on screen preferably over any other attributes.

Ultimately, I find only flat prints can give me this.
The frame finds itself magnified enough without attempting to stretch it twice more.
I have even heard 16mm collectors say the very same thing.

I find once your eyes have become accustomed to looking frequently at a high standard flat print on 8, there is nowhere to go to gain a better looking image on 8.
You then find yourself constantly chasing the focussing knob when viewing scope films even using the very best suited scope lenses for the gauge.

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Jason Smith
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posted May 19, 2017 08:42 AM

While I have always wanted to see a scope copy of Poltergiest to see what I was missing...I have to agree with you Andrew that watching a movie flat does have its own perks.

I have the flat Red Fox version and for a lot of scenes its pin sharp.

My favorite shot of the movie. I had to watch Veritgo after seeing this scene.

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David Hardy
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posted May 19, 2017 08:51 AM

Yes very sharp indeed with very good colours for Super 8mm.
However you do lose a hellava lot of the original picture
area and don't see the composition as it was intended to
be seen by the director and cinematographer.

I have no real love of P&S prints although I do have a couple in my collection.
[Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 19, 2017 09:44 AM

Yep, just like my own Jason. Fab isn't it! [Smile]

I wouldn't swap mine for a scope version, no chance.

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David Hardy
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posted May 19, 2017 09:56 AM

I don't blame you in a way Andrew as most Super 8mm transfers
are not that good.

Super 8mm is not really suited to Scope. There is always a trade
of picture wise. Be it grain or colour fringing and lens problems or soft images.

That's why I prefer watching my Scope prints on 16mm / 35mm and
of course DVD and Blu-Ray with very little loss of composition.
[Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 19, 2017 10:03 AM

Yep, agreed David, regarding your main point there.

I don't agree that most Super 8mm transfers are not that good however.
You only have to look at Jason's fine photographs above to question that one David.

One respected and long term 16mm and Super 8mm collector recently said on another forum that in his opinion only 35mm can truly give off a decent image for scope presentation.

I agree with him ultimately.
Obviously I take it he was including 70mm in his assessment also.

Even on my digital images which can easily match or even surpass those of a 35mm projector for clarity, I prefer the shape of the picture projected in widescreen mode to anamorphic widescreen.

Cinemascope looks brilliant where it belongs, in full sized cinemas on full sized screens imho. Plenty of depth to the image then.

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Osi Osgood
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posted May 19, 2017 11:47 AM

Grerat screenshots Jason, but i certainly agree (owning an early print of this title in scope, and in stereo) that, if you love this film, you really have to get the scope version, but you'd probably make back most or a good deal of hat you paid for the scope, by selling the flat version.

But I must confess, in some regards, having the flat version helps just a little. For instance, there is that very memorable scene at the end where the house "implodes" and you would be able to enjoy the deatil that went into that effect more in the fklat version, than the scope version ...

so, each has it's "perks" but the scope, ahhhhh, the scope!

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 19, 2017 11:51 AM

"The fog" would look the best in scope! [Big Grin]

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David Hardy
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posted May 19, 2017 02:03 PM

Andrew I have to disagree with that collector who ever he is.
I have shown Scope 16mm prints in a CINEMA and they were quite
stunning every bit as sharp a 35mm film.

As for flat prints of Scope films... Well its like only looking at a small part of a painting or listening to only one movement
of a symphony. In other words incomplete and not as it was intended to be seen or heard.

Also as for depth of field Super 8mm film is very limited be
it flat or scope. Also most Super 8mm prints be they flat or
scope are cropped any way.

However if flat prints of Scope films is what rocks your boat
then who am I to argue ?
I wont be sailing on that boat with you though thats for sure !

I am not a fan of severe cropping of an image.

[Big Grin]

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Graham Ritchie
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posted May 19, 2017 02:11 PM

That flat version looks good color wise Jason I gave mine away as it had faded [Frown]

Regarding P/S or Scope I do believe in projecting a film as it was originaly intended. I was once given a flat version of "Raise The Titanic" 600 footer to look at, not only was the print turning red but in one scene the actors who were taking to each other you could not see them due to the P/S they were out of the picture. I understand there were different edits of this 600 footer, anyway this one was terrible and I switched the lamp of before the end as it simply was a waste of time watching it....junk.

Thankfully the owner of this print has now got it as a full feature with great color but most importantly its in Scope [Cool]

here is a we you-tube video of Super8 in Scope....

https://youtu.be/sbGOMk52j_Q

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David Hardy
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posted May 19, 2017 02:15 PM

Graham thanks for that link. Great to see you are using
a 35mm Scope lens for Super 8mm. [Smile]

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