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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 26, 2007 02:19 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I worked with a guy who although he grew up Moslem, ran a porn shop in...Brooklyn (Why is it always Brooklyn?). He did this for a while after he closed his bar on Trinidad. (Suffice it to say, this guy's a character!)

When he heard I was into film he donated to me a very ruggedly built Yelco Super-8 projector which was a leftover from his shop.

It's silent, but I bet it has some stories to tell!

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted October 26, 2007 03:12 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou   Email Tom Photiou   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Osi, Not sure what you watched exactly but ive always found if something plays on your mind its certainly not of "normall stuff",

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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted October 26, 2007 03:40 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Been reading through this topic [Roll Eyes] and how many forum members were in there teenage years during the 70s, [Eek!] Yikes I feel old [Frown] anyone else from the 60s flower people and all that.

Graham. [Wink]

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Andreas Eggeling
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Jim Carlile
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 - posted October 29, 2007 03:00 AM      Profile for Jim Carlile   Email Jim Carlile   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's funny. The first thing I remember noticing in the old Movie Maker magazine were the naturism ads at the back. So 8mm and porn have a long history together.

The other day I read that John Holmes started with 8mm reels and these are extremely rare and valuable.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted October 29, 2007 09:15 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I suspect 5 minutes after somebody invented ink, they drew a dirty picture and then sold it.

...just human nature!

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted October 29, 2007 10:28 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Very True Steve.

The porn I looked at was the normal stuff, but i have read that sensitive, (tender-hearted) or better put .. shy guys, tend to be more psycologically harmed by porn than more out going guys.

I was certainly the shy guy back in High school, (glad i got over that in the last few years!). If you have a natural tendency of having a hard time approaching women in the first place, porn does more damage to you.

Then, there are those people who can look at it everyday and it won't effect them much.

Who would have thought that the porn posts would go on this long?!

Hey guys, I said "woody Woodpecker" in my post before this one!!

"Woody?" Get it?! WOODY??!!

Oh well.

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Albert Steg
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 - posted August 07, 2008 10:10 AM      Profile for Albert Steg   Email Albert Steg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi -- I just happened upon this thread and thought I'd add a few comments.

First, this thread is a terrific demonstration of one of the enduring mysteries of porn: it outsells every other genre (100's, perhaps 1000's of 8mm porn reels sold for every 'mainstream' reel) -- *yet no one watches it*! It must just that lonely fat psycho guy on the other side of the tracks.

At any rate, I do collected porn/erotica/blue movies, what have you, in both 8mm and 16mm (no interest in video or dvd etc.). So if any of you run across collections and don't feel a moral imperative to destroy it, drop me a line and I'll give you something for them - not much, but something.

Regarding some more specific questions / comments on the thread:

1) Deep Throat on 8mm -- as everyone knows, DT was an enormous box-office success, and therefore the 4-reel 8mm reductions were produced and bootlegged in enormous quantities. As a result, many have survived and they are not worth much at all. So, don't knock yourself out trying to market this -- unless you can connive someone into thinking its a true rarity.

2) John Holmes appeared in 8mm films from the start of his career all the way into the 80's, and he made 100's of different loops in various stag series. His films were very popular (you all know his name, right?) so they sold large quantities, and as a result are not at all rare.

Albert

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted August 07, 2008 11:45 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's no Mystery Albert, SEX SELLS!!

Take a product that won't sell, say wankled rotary engines, (that's just funny to say!), and it won't sell ...

Then drape a half naked woman all over it, saying ...

"I'll do anything for a man with a wankled rotary engine!"

and they'll sell like hotcakes! (Especially if the ad ends with "Get Rotary, GET WANKLED!)

This is excellent timing as Fred K Wilders is selling a very rare feature print, I forget the title, but it's a history of the adult film industry, all the way from the silent movies, all the way up to "Deep Throat", (that tells you about when it was made).

By the way, Fred K Wilders prints are top notch, so your sure to get a good print of very rare feature title, for those interested in the subject, (there might be many a film starlett in that, many of them did start making "blue" movies)!

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Joe Caruso
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What is the origin of this word, "porn"? I know pornography, curious as to the first usage though, nothing more, oh and yes, welcome to the manifold of film

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Albert Steg
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 - posted August 07, 2008 05:33 PM      Profile for Albert Steg   Email Albert Steg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
From greek 'porni' = prostitute.
a.

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James E. Stubbs
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 - posted August 07, 2008 07:32 PM      Profile for James E. Stubbs   Author's Homepage   Email James E. Stubbs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Great story... Not suprising actually considering that porn back that was actually still quite voodoo as it still should be in my opinion. But I live in Pornland Oregon where we have ZERO decency laws.... As to the films "Stag films" as they were called at the time are in fact quite valuable and highly sought after in certian markets. I was in a collectables store I frequent that get's in a fair amount of 8mm stuff. They had several films that were outragously priced. They never hung around long. I'm talking $20-$50 each! I asked the owner about this an he told me what I've just told you....So if in good condition with origninal packaging you can actually do quite well selling them on eBay where they are frequently sold. As mentioned before DO NOT CALL THEM PORN. Stag Films is the preffered term and seems to be allowed by ebay.
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Albert Steg
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I certainly didn't mean to say that *no* stag films were rare or valuable -- just that the Deep Throat sets and John Holmes appearances aren't particularly unusual among collectors. They come up on ebay very regularly. On the other hand, I couldn't tell you a single brick-and-mortar store where you can regularly expect to alk in and find stag film for sale, so it doesn't surprise me that one that does have them for sale might do very well on them among buyers who haven't made the leap to the internet or who just haven't looked very hard.

Another example -- the "rare" stag film that purportedly stars Barbra Streisand --one of these comes up on ebay a few times a year, and the seller often touts it as "incredibly rare" if not "one of a kind" and opens bidding at $500 or so. Ones that list at $9.99 usually sell for $20. If someone occasionally pays the $500 sucker price, that doesn't really make the film any more rare or valuable.

Large lots of 8mm stags routinely sell on ebay for $2 - $4 / reel in bulk, often loaded with John Holmes and Linda Lovelace appearances.

Albert

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Osi Osgood
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One would hope that for 500.00, it would actually end up being Barbera Streisand. You wouldn't think she would do a stag film though, as her claim to fame was her voice and she didn't need to do a stag film in order to "break into" the film business. I'm betting that it's someone who looks like her.

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Albert Steg
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Well, in industries with sleazy "gate keepers" even very talented people can get exploited. But no, the person in the film is definitely not Streisand.

Albert

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