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Dino Everette
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Akshay as for the Keaton comment I was speaking more about Keaton himself than the print quality which can vary from amazing to unwatchable....As a general (but not blanket) rule you will find better quality prints on Super 8, not too mention Super 8 projectors are equipped to run brighter lamps. If you plan on acquiring many Standard 8 prints you can do yourself a favor and get a nice bright standard 8 projector, BUT even then you will still find prints that are too dark..

As for the Jimmie Adams pics, those are all from the beginning of the film, because once the serious damage started I was constantly re-setting the loop.

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Gerald Santana
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Tonight, among a couple of newly acquired films, I ran the first reel of the silent classic Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (1925) 6 x 400' on Regular 8mm. The film appears to have an amber tint but no color inter-titles. Either way, it's still a nice print, and am excited to see the rest on the run up to Christmas. I'll post more here as I screen the rest in the coming days.

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Grant Fitzgerald
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The Immigrant is a (1917) Charlie Chaplin film. This is only the second charlie Chaplin film I have ever seen. I know, I know as a film major I should see more of his stuff but hey I have a huge list of films that are on my must view list.

Charlie is on his way to the USA. He wins in a card game, puts the money in Edna's bag (she and her sick mother have been robbed of everything). When he retrieves a little for himself he is accused of being a thief. Edna clears his name. Later, broke, Charlie finds a coin and goes into a restaurant. There he finds Edna, whose mother has died, and asks her to join him. When he reaches for the coin to pay for their meals it is missing.

The beginning of the film was definitely the funniest part of the whole film in my opinion. I didn't like it as much as Charlie's 'The Kid" but it was still an excellent film. Anyways, my copy of the film looks great in my opinion and I can't wait to view it with many in the future.

Before the film started it had a brief history of this film and said that Chaplin had shot as much footage on The Immigrant as most directors would to photograph a feature-length production. In his efforts to continuously refine the film, he exposed more than 90,000 feet of negative (the finished film runs approximately 2,000 feet), and he went four days and nights without rest while editing the film to final length.

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A Walt Disney Christmas
Today I got A Walt Disney Christmas on Super 8mm. I have already watched it twice. One to view for pleasure and the second to take pics. This film is in great condition with just a little fade, but is holding up really well! I was very excited to get this films for two reasons. One I love Christmas films and two it is my first one on Super 8.

Anyways, this is a compilation of 4 Disney Short Films; Toy Tinkers, Santa's Workshop, The Night Before Christmas and Pluto's Christmas Tree. These are extracted versions to fit in 16.34 min, 400' reel. ON can hardly tell that they have been extracted at all, they flow very well together. This has already become a new favorite and I will enjoy many viewings. YOu can find all of these shorts on YOUTUBE.

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Akshay Nanjangud
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Last night, we watched our Standard 8mm reels of 'Judith of Bethulia' on a Keystone K-100. It seemed like an original Blackhawk print, the box feels original too, with three reels. The first and third reels are pretty full whereas the second reel has only about two-thirds of film. IMDB says the film lasts 61 minutes; we didn't feel like the film was cut anywhere. Anyone knows more?

Of the few films I have seen from the Silent Era, this will rank high for its grandeur. If the will of Judith portrays the daredevilry of a woman, then the battle scenes portray the uncompromised ambition of D.W. Griffith. That's how I felt.

Since I accidentally deleted pictures from my camera, the ones here are from the end of the movie.

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Gerald Santana
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Akshay, Perhaps the film was supposed to run at 18fps? Nice screen-shots too.

Good work Grant, very cool shots!

Keep it up!

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Akshay Nanjangud
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Gerald, the Keystone K-100 is a variable speed one and I ran it at the fastest possible, it doesn't have any way of knowing fps, just a knob to turn. Actually, the fps was fine. It was a great experience on the whole.

Love Grant's pictures too. I must get a colored animated film!

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Dino Everette
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Akshay I am puzzled by your post...Are you saying your print did not last 1 hour? Or are you saying you had concern because the 2nd reel was not full?

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Akshay Nanjangud
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Dino, my concern is that the second reel wasn't full. Why should the second reel not be full when the final reel is? Wouldn't it be natural to have the last reel be the lightest?

In future, I must time my films and compare the duration with the some known valid source. What's a good source for movies on film? IMDB? Wikipedia?

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Christian Bjorgen
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IMDB is usually a good bet as they list all the various run times of films (such as Metropolis, which has probably 5 or 6 different lengths!).

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Lee Mannering
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Its Christmas Film Show overload!!!! [Eek!] [Eek!]

Mickeys Christmas Carol
Santas Workshop
On Ice
Scrooge

Will the Elmo last till 2012 that is the question?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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quote:
Anyways, this is a compilation of 4 Disney Short Films; Toy Tinkers, Santa's Workshop, The Night Before Christmas and Pluto's Christmas Tree. These are extracted versions to fit in 16.34 min, 400' reel.
Grant, I saw you have dealt with the previous problem of your projector (jitters, shaking). Congratulation! now you can enjoy the magic of super 8mm.

Knowing you are new to 8mm films, and perhaps you would like to know that beside the above Walt Disney Christmas, there are several other compilations like it, i.e where you can have a 400' reel with 4 to 5 stories.

They are:

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I already knew that the below titles should be also available:

9. Mickey first 50 years Anniversary

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13. Goofy over sports

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Apart from the last one (no. 13) they are not rare, so can be bought between $10-15. Still more economical rather than to buy 4 shorts. And as you have mentioned, we hardly to notice where the stories have been extracted.

Beside there are also three other compilation reel but they are only 2 stories on each 400' reel (so no extract) and what I knew they were only originally available SILENT.

ps: although one company in UK has stripped it and added sound. I have 1 reel with sound added.

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Grant Fitzgerald
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Awesome Thanks! I have seen these around, but I didn't know what they exactly were thanks for the explanation!

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Dino Everette
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Akshay
OK now that I understand i will state that the Blackhawk Judith on Standard 8 was only 800 feet, so the fact that yours is stretched across 3 reels means the following

A) you watched part of some other film in the middle
B) Whoever had it prior to you reconfigured it.... For instance they may have had a projector like the Revere 85 which only handled 300 foot reels, so maybe they made it fit on their equipment...BUT the main thing is you should definitely have all that was released by Blackhawk.. : )

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Akshay Nanjangud
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Dino, I didn't think of a cut of the film by a previous owner. In favor of your argument, reels 1 and 3 are 300', while the second reel is 200'. So like you say, it's a total of 800'. At least, I feel good to have the full movie.

Now, consider this:

1. The box for these three reels, I believe to be original, is perfectly built to house three reels.
2. The head of Reel 1 says "Start 1", the heads of Reels 2 and 3 read "Start 2 ....... Reel Two" and "Start 3 ....... Reel 3", respectively.

Perhaps an oddity from Blackhawk to accommodate 300' capacity projectors?

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Dino Everette
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Akshay
In that case it is possible that when Blackhawk released it that way, even though it was 800feet so as to not pack the reels.

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Gerald Santana
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When I first took a look at Foolish Wives, I was baffled why it was on 6 x 400' reels without heads or tails on any of the reels (and only half full -- at about 200' each). I ran them just fine on their own but, the moment I transfered them to 2 x 600' reels, the film filled the reels to capacity.

I ran it again later in the week and I could not finish the film because it started to un-spool near the end! It did not fit into the 600' take up reel for my Elmo ST600. This is just a heads up for anyone trying to watch a reel filled to capacity: you're going to need a bigger take up reel.

Anyway, I'm still looking over many films that I just bought at an Estate Sale. Many amazing silents were included in the boxes. Here are a few more that I watched last night...

Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (1925) Reel 2 started the screening and I noticed this time that the print has slightly soft focus and is not amber! I must have been confused by my cameras setting but, I decided to leave them that way anyway -- I think it looks really good.

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An excellent serial that is not to be missed by any silent film enthusiast is The Perils of Pauline . We took a look at the first episode in the series, “Through Air and Fire” on 2 x 400' from Blackhawk Films, which is a very exciting film with extraordinary sequences.

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And finally, an incomplete print of The Three Musketeers (1916) aka D'Artagnan which was sort of hilarious and had some of the most expressive faces on film I have ever seen. I'm missing reel one of this 3 x 400' Blackhawk release.

If anyone has an extra copy of R1 laying around, consider me interested in it.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Below pictures are not mine. Just took it from Ebay listings, ad Ebay would remove them after 60 days, I chose to save it in this database, so they can be used for future reference.

ps: click link to see pictures

Independence Day (Derann, Scope, Stereo, 5 x 600')

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Previous listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200681541458 Sold for C$450 (28 Nov, 2011)


Jason And The Argonauts (Derann, Flat, 4 x 600')

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Previous listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200665195268 Sold for US$400 (26 Oct, 2011)

Gone With The Wind (Derann, Flat, 8 x 400', Kodak LPP Polyester)

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Previous Listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200669703297 Sold for C$506 (07 Nov, 2011)

An American In Paris (Derann from Ken negative, 6 x 400', Agfa)

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Previous listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200672513895 Sold for 149.99 (14 Nov, 2011)

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Winbert ..

did Disney Home Movies ever release a "Silly Symphony Part 2" 400ft? I have seen that part 1 occasionally, but never a part 2.

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The other night, we watched Blood and Sand. The print quality and the projection were very satisfactory on my Bolex SP-80. Am considering getting a new bulb for the projector, the reflective coating on the current one is half way gone. Any suggestions on where to get one and some idea on pricing would be helpful.

As for the movie, I considered it a simple story of moral degradation well put together. Perhaps in the early days of film the true achievement lay not so much in the story but on the fundamentals of film-making. With this in mind, I felt that in this movie various scenes were brought together well enough to function as a smooth and effective narrative.

The last three pictures are taken sans flash, still experimenting to find the best the camera settings.

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Had our annual Christmas film group show and pleased to report the Elmo is still going strong. Hurrah!

Programme.
Christmas advert/trailer reel Scrooge etc.
On Ice
Night Before Christmas
Ginger Nuts Christmas Circus

Interval Supper

12 Days of Christmas (Stereo)
Mister & Mistletoe
The Prince & the Pauper (Stereo)
Happy Christmas wishes

Some time since we last viewed Prince & Pauper and we voted this to be possibly the highest quality Disney on 8mm with vibrant colour and good stereo sound imaging.

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We had a holiday party/screening tonight with my biggest condo audience ever at 8..... It started on Super 8 with the new SUPER 8 trailer, then a quick pop out of the scope lens and it was the old Reel Image CHRISTMAS BIRDS short. Then the feature was a gorgeous 16mm original print of MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET(1947). Lots of fun, even though one of the tightening knobs on my scope bracket broke [Frown] I guess that is what happens when you never use something...

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I did my first public film show for almost a decade. It was at a transport society and the films were railway based ones as follows.

ON THE WESTERN REGION
CORONATION SCOT
BRITISH MOVIETONE NEWS
SNOW
CLASSROOM: ENGINE DRIVER
LOOK AT LIFE: TURN OF THE WHEEL
LOCOMOTION (15min version)
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some of my own shot footage from the early 1980s

The prints varied from walton era to modern derann ones.
There were 31 people in the hall and an Elmo st1200HD was used, with a chinon 7800h for back up. The screen was 5ft wide and the sound from the Elmo was fed to a 20year+ Arcam Alpha ll amp, just using the left channel, in to a Mordaunt Short central speaker. I was worried that the amp may blow a fuse, considering that is only 25 watts p/channel, working in a large room and had my fingers crossed to begin with. As it turned out the sound was suprisingly clear and dynamic, and there was still plenty of power available.
The projector itself tends to draw interest to the crowd, and athough many of the films are on DVD the novelty of film projection seemed to go down well. I have been asked to do another one next year!

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Welcome David to What Films did you show last night?

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Akshay,
It doen't matter that the second reel was half full as long as the total running time is correct,somewhat difficult with silent films as long as they are run at random speed and you must find the correct one,(and this is another unending debate piece). In your (and Gerald's and everyone's) case,it is the number and length of the film's reels as they were available to the producing company.Even in "today's" Derann features, supplied in 600 ft reels,you will find an odd reel that fills only with 400 feet, i.e with two "original" reels,since the feature is an 8, or 11 reeler. On the opposite,many silent features were originally in smaller than 10 or 9 minute reels.Several times, I have put silent "8 reelers" in 3x 400 reels,or better,if they overfill, in 2x 600 and 1x 400. and I don't mind if the 400 footer is in the middle,or, 5 reelers,(especially B westerns), in 2x 400, without overfilling.
Gerald,
No matter the number of reels you got it,you have the edited 8 reel version of FOOLISH WIVES that has been floating around for ages! If you really like it,try to find the later Blackhawk version,an exellent copy in 6x400 full reels,restored by Arthur Lenning.

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hi! fellas last night i screened thuderball a great james bond
with sean conery one of his best,this ,s a wonderfull print from
derann good image and scope in my 10feet screnn...
today i,ll screnn goldfinger

bests:
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