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Larry Arpin
Jedi Master Film Handler

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posted August 15, 2008 12:39 AM

Found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyj52n1lOuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqsRldVtkDU&feature=related

I had thought about doing this and this guy did a great job of taping.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted August 15, 2008 03:15 AM

Nice transfer ideed...

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 15, 2008 08:55 AM

That first one is definitely Super 8, and looks it, (still relatively sharp), but some of the other clips onn U-Tube look more like 16MM or even a VHS or Disc copy.

It's too sharp.

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James N. Savage 3
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posted August 15, 2008 02:33 PM

Thanks for that link Larry.

I had never owned this digest, so its nice to finally see it. I wish I had bought one now!

Thats another fine example of U-8's excellent editing work. That digest really captured the atmosphere of the movie, while nicely condensing it to 18 minutes or so.

And the colors!?!?

That was an early U-8 release, so I expected this print to be all red. You just never know with super 8 releases.

James.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted August 15, 2008 02:59 PM

Which leads me to my question for you 8mm collectors - what film stocks are generally used in 8mm and S8?

-Mike

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John Clancy
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posted August 16, 2008 03:00 AM

Well if you ever do put anything up on the web like that just pray that Universal don't track you down.

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 16, 2008 11:18 PM

That's true. If you own it personally in your collection, they can't touch (if it was a legal release of Universal material), but if your showing it to others for profit, then your in trouble.

But U TUBE doesn't apply, as this is downloadable for free, I don't think the person who posted it could be sued, as they are not making any money off of it, and isn't the stipulation on these lovely Super 8 prints we buy is that we are not to show them for profit?

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John Clancy
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posted August 17, 2008 04:04 AM

I suppose it's unlikely Universal will bother taking an individual to court but I wouldn't take the risk. "Private" use surely doesn't include public exhibition which is what YouTube is.

Similarly if someone copies one of my DVD releases and sticks it on YouTube I'd be looking to take legal action. I don't see much difference.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted August 17, 2008 05:01 AM

The guy that posted the clips is lucky that his print seems to have not faded yet!

Incidentally, the comments below the Youtube screen indicate that he bacame a bit out of touch with Super 8, as he says people stopped buying the films in the mid-1980s!

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 17, 2008 02:38 PM

well, essentially, he's right. As a general rule, most people did stop collecting Super 8 by then Adrian ...

except for us insane little hobbyists,

(and I enjoy my little bit O insanity!)

[Smile]

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted August 18, 2008 11:13 AM

John is certainly right about this: "downloadable for free" has no bearing on copyright infringement. I'd venture that most copyright infringement doesn't involve money.

In the case of YouTube, wouldn't you think that the individual isn't likely to be pursued so much as the owner would ask YouTube to delete the clips?

What do you make of the occasional loss of sound in the clips? Stripe falling off? Bad language being muted? Equipment frying or cable loose?

These must have been printed on Fuji. It would be interesting to see if he would look for edge markings!

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Steve Klare
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posted August 18, 2008 11:57 AM

Youtube is an ocean of copyright infringements. These days when a song pops into my head and I want to hear it, I search in Youtube and odds are I'll find it 10 times over; sometimes as commercial music videos and sometimes synced up to amateur "footage" and stills. The same goes for sequences from TV shows and feature films too.

-certainly the quality is poor but the access is enormmous!

We sometimes ask if it's OK to show a commercial S8 print in front of a hall with 20 people, but that's nothing compared to some of this stuff that gets over a million views.

My feeling is it won't go on forever.

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James N. Savage 3
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posted August 22, 2008 06:05 AM

There are clips from THOUSANDS of movies on YouTube, not to mention almost ANY song. In fact, there isn't much that you can't find at least a clip of. So I wouldn't be too worried about anyone raising a fuss over those clips from "Duel".

James.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted August 24, 2008 11:37 PM

Hi all,

I have seen his youtube and I should say that the colors of his film is good to be true.

I've read somewhere in his page that he is a film restorer, so I can assume the his film has been digitally restored and re-colored. I can say so because in some area where the background is brighter than the other darker color then there was seen some ghosting of the darker colors. What do you htink?

BTW, was "Duel" available in 1 x 400 or 2 x 400" and was it released in the latest Universal 8 pack or the white plastic box with artworks sticked on it?

cheers

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James N. Savage 3
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posted August 26, 2008 04:17 PM

Winburt-

"Duel" was one of the first releases by Universal 8, after it changed from Castle Films.

"Duel was released at the same time as "Earthquake", "Airport", and "That Man Bolt", to name a few.

Universal 8 was only releasing single 400 foot versions of these new titles at that time, so "Duel" never made it to the 2 x 400 foot releases.

About the colors-

I think it is very possible that the colors on the YouTube clips are true to the super 8 film. While some of my U-8's have faded badly, some have held up like this one.

James.

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