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Thomas Dafnides
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 - posted February 09, 2010 11:53 PM      Profile for Thomas Dafnides   Email Thomas Dafnides   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Was there any quality built Super 8 projector with manual threading...or any unit that can be easily stripped to offer manual threading?

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Patrick Walsh
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 - posted February 10, 2010 12:05 AM      Profile for Patrick Walsh   Email Patrick Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know many STD 8 machines that are manual threaders, but I have never seen a SUPER 8 one before, I presume that there may be one out there?
Pat

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David Erskine
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 - posted February 10, 2010 04:08 AM      Profile for David Erskine   Email David Erskine   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fumeo '9' series: Beaulieu 780 series!! Big buggers, though!!

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Joerg Polzfusz
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 - posted February 10, 2010 04:09 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

the RUSS has manual threading:
http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Lomo_RUSS_Projector
http://www.super8-projektor.de/index.php?site=projektoren&hersteller=15&preview=64

It looks like the Gakken 8mm Projector also has got manual threading:
http://film.club.ne.jp/item/gakkenn.html

[Big Grin]

Jörg

P.S.: If I don't mix up things, you can also use manual threading on a Beaulieu 708EL and some/all of the Fumeos...

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted February 10, 2010 05:53 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's been years I am working with super 8mm projectors, but I don't know what is manual threading. Could you please explain a bit the different between automatic and manual threading? and the cost vs benefit?

thanks

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Claus Harding
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 - posted February 10, 2010 08:36 AM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert,

Manual threading vs. automatic is one of those old issues that people love to debate [Smile]

Manual means, you fit the film into the film path with your hands; you create the loops and lock the guides in place manually. No "feeding in the front door" and letting it come out at the take-up spool. Many Standard-8 and 16mm, and all 35mm cinema projectors are manual (unless I am missing some odd model.)

Automatic threading has had a bad reputation over the years due to poor designs from home projector makers and due to people not paying attention when trimming the ends and/or feeding damaged film into the machine.
You get the classic "terrible noise" as the film is being mangled halfway through the path (we've all heard it at some point [Wink] )

16mm projectors come in manual or automatic models, but a nice variation is "slot loading" which Eiki's 16mm machines in particular are well-known for, and which, I find, is a great idea.

The whole film path is open, exposed from the side, and you lay the film into the path and onto the take-up reel. Then, turning the main switch, you lock the film onto the sprockets and you're ready to go.
It also has the advantage that you can stop and safely take out a film halfway through and rewind it if you want to.

So, it's convenience for the home market vs. safety and choice for the more professional machines.

I always felt a slot-loader would have been a great idea for Super-8 as we, more than a commercial set-up, sometimes do stop films and change.

These are the basics off the top of my head. I'm sure someone else can add to this.

Claus.

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Damien Taylor
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I find manual threading stops me getting mad at the projector, since it is 100% my fault!

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Joerg Polzfusz
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 - posted February 15, 2010 08:18 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

it looks like the "Fujicascope Auto Vision" and the "Fujicavision F10"-projectors only do have "manual threading"...

Jörg
P.S.: Links:
http://www.super8data.com/database/projectors_list/projectors_fuji/fujicascope_autovision.htm
http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Fuji_Fujicascope_Auto_Vision_Projector
http://super8wiki.com/index.php/Fuji_Fujicavision_F10
P.P.S.: It looks like both projectors have been produced by Yamawa (alias Yelco) and hence might be available under other brands and names as well...

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