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Topic: Re-recording my Derann prints
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Christian Bjorgen
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 996
From: Kvinnherad, Norway
Registered: Oct 2009
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posted December 26, 2011 09:49 AM
If you are using a PC there are many ways, but here is the way I do it.
1) Connect my PC/Mac to the Elmo GS-800 using a standard audio minijack-minijack cable.
2) Find a suitable clip of the film I want to dub. Usually, I rip the whole film from a DVD so I can control it frame-by-frame on the computer.
3) Do test runs with film and projector both playing side-by-side, but not recording, so I can sync them using the computers speedup/down feature. If you have a projector with a speed control, such as the GS-800, it helps a little too.
4) Once I'm sure that I have a good sync on it, I start recording. Often, I do it little-by-little, to ensure that the recording sounds smooth. It's a pity to record a full reel to then find out the audio is too low/high, having to do the entire reel again!
Tips for those who use 1200'+ reel size machines:
Splice the smaller reels unto bigger reels. For instance if you have a 6x400' feature, it's much easier dubbing it in two sessions rather than six :-)
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Martin Davey
Film Handler
Posts: 94
From: Southampton UK
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 27, 2011 04:08 AM
I have been thinking about re-recording some prints, just shorts and trailers as I dont collect features anyway, but i dont have a GS 1200 or any syncing equipment, so i have been thinking of a way around to do this. The aim is to create a nice sound master on the computer that runs to the correct length. My plan was to film on a DV camcorder the chosen projector that will be used to do the transfer, running the film and playing the current sound track. The quality of this is not important and is used only as a reference for pic and sound timing relationship.
I then plan to put this DV footage in to a editing programme (premiere) on the PC, building a project at 25fps(PAL) as I am in the UK. I would then import the clean, master sound from a DVD in to the premiere project and match it to the DV footage. I expect that I may have to 'stretch' the sound from the dvd from 25fps to 24fps, but having the DV reference footage will help and I will be able to see the sound waveform of both sources together to visually match them. I would also build an audio 'plop' on the 3 on the countdown and build another plop on the end 'tail' frame so that during the transfer the end plop will give me some indication of drift, if any, in terms of sync.
After creating the master track on the computer the next stage is to transfer it to the films mag stripe. I do have a elmo 1200 and a chinon 7800h but would use the chinon as it has 'electronic' speed control. I imagine this provides a 'fixed' speed (24fps) better than the elmos mechanical system? The track would be played from the computer straight in to the projector. The sound file would be lined up on the computer just one frame before the plop on 3. When the projector gets to 3, l click on the mouse, as fast i can, and hope for the best!
This is a theoretical idea but I hope to do some experiments after xmas. I would interested if anyone else has gone down this route or if anyone can see some pitfalls here.
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