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Christian Bjorgen
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 - posted May 15, 2012 12:29 PM      Profile for Christian Bjorgen   Author's Homepage   Email Christian Bjorgen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So I inspected my Walton feature of Hannie Caulder today, having forgotten all about it from my lot, and found both pleasant and unpleasant surprises.

1) The colour is AMAZING. Upon inspection I found the stock on all four reels to be marked " 2 S " , which according to the guide I found online (http://www.paulivester.com/films/filmstock/guide.htm) makes it Agfa 2S stock, which is "lowfade". Woohoo!

2) The first reel has a tiny bit of fade, but still great colour, but it's missing the opening credits!

My print starts at the gunbarrel sequence at the robbery (has about 10 frames of outside shots before cutting to the shotgun-barrel-camera. Does anyone know the amount of footage missing, and does anyone have a spare Reel 1? [Big Grin]

So now, I'm looking for a non-faded Reel 1 to go with the other three reels, which were absolutely mint! If they've been run at all it's been by people who knew what they were doing!

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted May 15, 2012 12:51 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Christian ...

Being that this is on Agfa 2S, perhaps the pre-print material might be suspect and therefore, looking for a new Agfa 2S reel 1 might be a mistake?

I once had the Derann 70's print of "Hoppity Goes to Town" and while on fuji (It had a slight purplish cast), reels 1 and 4 were OK, but reel's 2 and 3 were definitely not of the same pre-print quality, which was cured when Derann got a better negative for the later printing on LPP.

... so perhaps, reel 1 of this 4 reel digest was of a lesser quality?

Can anyone vouch on this, who happens to own this print?

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Christian Bjorgen
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 - posted May 15, 2012 01:44 PM      Profile for Christian Bjorgen   Author's Homepage   Email Christian Bjorgen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's a possibility of course, Osi, hopefully someone else here can shed some light on it.

Nonetheless, it would be great to have the replacement footage from the opening of reel 1, I concluded that I'm missing around 1,5-2 minutes of footage.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted May 15, 2012 01:55 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a thought Chris,if you cant get the missing footage for your
film,which I understand to be just the Main titles.Why not copy
from the TV, on film and use that.The film would be mute,but it is
possible to get it striped and rerecord the music.

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Christian Bjorgen
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Yeah, I've thought about it, but I haven't got any cartridges left so will have to do that some time later then :-)

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Hans van der Sloot
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 - posted May 15, 2012 04:34 PM      Profile for Hans van der Sloot   Author's Homepage   Email Hans van der Sloot   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My copy of Hannie Caulder is also from Walton, but it is on Fuji Film stock (78 AJ) and seems to be a bit faded.
It would be nice to see some screen shots from you copy, so I can see how the colors should be.
I don't think you miss a lot on reel 1, because before the shoot out you see the bad guys enter town and enter the bank. When someone sounds the alarm, the robbers start shooting in the bank and when they exit the bank the shoot out starts
Is your copy in scope too?

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Adrian Winchester
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Interesting that you have a Walton feature on Agfa - that's the first one I've heard about as I've only come across a very small number of Walton shorts on Agfa. It's not a title that I would have guessed they would be printing so close to the end as I expect it was released a few years previously.

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Christian Bjorgen
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 - posted May 16, 2012 02:58 AM      Profile for Christian Bjorgen   Author's Homepage   Email Christian Bjorgen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for the info, Hans! My copy is the flat version. Will see if I can get some screenshots next week as I'm quiet busy these days :-)

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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted May 16, 2012 10:30 AM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Contact Wayne Tuell for contact information on a gentleman who will kinescope from a computer file in 16mm with sound, and it's relatively reasonable in cost.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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iI have the flat version and the only marking I can distinguish is
the figure 1,my other print is the cinemascope that is printed Fuji.
The flat print has very natural colour that is reminicient of their
earlier release "Witchfinder General" which is outstanding.

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Christian Bjorgen
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Bill; does he also do Super 8, or 16mm only?

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Well who’s on first? Yeah. Go ahead and tell me. Who. The guy on first. Who. The guy playin’ first base. Who. The guy on first. Who is on first! What are you askin’ me for? I’m askin’ you!

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Hans van der Sloot
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 - posted May 30, 2012 05:06 PM      Profile for Hans van der Sloot   Author's Homepage   Email Hans van der Sloot   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here are some screen shots from my Walton scope copy.
It seems very purple, but still the blacks and blues seem pretty OK.
Hugh, does your copy look the same?

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Joe Balitzki
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I see there is no Balance Stripe on the print. Do any Walton prints have one? In the U.S.A. Hannie was released by Paramount Pictures. Do the Walton prints have the Paramount Mountain Logo?

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Hello Hans and Joe,the 'scope print is much the same as mine
Hans but mine has a slight pink hue,The flat print has better
colour,especially flesh tones.As for the balance stripe Joe,this was
a penny pinching exercise from Walton that they were taken to task for over here,especially when they were releasing 'scope
prints where the focus is crucial over such a wide field.They caved
in and reinstated the balance stripe.

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