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Topic: Question for Doug! (and review of "Wolfman")
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 07, 2013 05:11 PM
A question for Doug Meltzer, which might hep clarify a few things.
In your screenshots of "The Wolfman" the first one is sepia, where the rest are a bluish color instead. Is your whole print sepiatone or only parts of it? I think that might be what's causing a lot of confusion concerning this print.
secondly. i just finished doing a visual scan of the whole print, slowly, (on rewinds), checking the whole print and I found tat at least THIS copy I nowhold, is sepai all the way through, with one very curious alteration. The very last shot and the THE END titles, are spliced on from a B/W sound Universal 8 print of "The Wolfman". I don't know if this feature was missing that last shot and the end title card or something else happened, but that's that. (see, honest enough to mention every single little thing, in case there was any doubt.)
Also, there is not a single instance of one side of the fram being sepia and the other side beinbg some other color. It's all sepai all the way through (except for the last shot and "The End" shot being B/W)
That clears that up. Hopefully we will hear from our own Doug on the other matter.
OSI
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 08, 2013 12:54 PM
Thwe first screenshot you had on the original post concerning the Wolfman, showed what appears to be a fully sepaitone frame, the next screenshots show non sepiatone and just, as you stated, cyan looking frames. Did you adjust the screenshots so that they would all be "one tone", instead of two?
Wow! If all the prints besides this one I have are "two toned" I must have an extreme rarity. I think I have the price high enough, but I wouldn't have been surprised if it would go for higher than the "buy it now"!
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 09, 2013 12:31 PM
To reiterate now a third time ...
1. I'm no wiz at taking screenshots, as my camera always makes ANYTHING look more, even perfect color, so it no doubt will make them even more "sepai' than the print is, causing folks to say "oh, that's way to brwon.
2. I have now screened the second half (rather difficult, in that I don't have projectors with 800ft reel capacity, so i had to hold the danged reel the full time above the projector, gets a little old, but I can say yet again, I see no lighter or darker sides to the sepia, and certainly no cyan at all to the image.
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 09, 2013 01:25 PM
I understand where your coming from, Micheal, (as I wish I had a good digital camera that would take "worry free" screenshots), but when you have placed as many facts out there as you can about the print your selling (and not even for myself), and your still doubted, well ... no one likes being called a liar.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if this will go out to someone who doesn't even collect super 8 and are just a "Wolfman" collector/fan, and then a fellow collector will go without a very good print. They're loss.
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 10, 2013 12:37 PM
In a matter of speaking. I have never represented a film I have sold, so when folks constattly insist that the print that I am personally selling is something that I'm saying it's not, well, at least, I'm being accused of "mis-speaking" (the new title for "lie", most commonly used by politicians. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
As a fairly vocal member of the forum here, my integrity is on the line with every item I list to sell, and even one bad sale can marr your image, in some folks minds, forever, so I am very sensitive to not mis-label a film.
Just going back to the screenshot thing, (just one last time, I promise ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ) ...
When I was auctioning off that "Empire Strikes Back" cineavision scope print, I did screenshots for it and, even though it had absolutely lovely color, ALL the screenshots had varying levels of being brownish. I used the best looking ones, unretouched, on the auction, but after I had shown them (on here and on the auction) ...
... right away, I was hearing from members on my e-mail and elsewhere saying, "That prints faded! Your Incorrect!"
... which was never true. I know many hold screenshots at a high level of importance, but screenshots can be used and abused in various ways, (people retouching them to "enhance" color to make the print look better, for instance), and then unamused buyers of prints coming back and saying "I was gypped!"
... so, screenshots, OK, and sometimes useful, especially for a color film. Otherwise, I feel that they are a hindrance.
Still,love ya all, (in case anyone felt I was being grumpy, which, in truth, I was).
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted January 10, 2013 12:57 PM
Can a seasoned old collector be of any help here.I can see the
point of screenshots,but in some cases they don't always give a
true rendition of the print. A film I recently bought on ebay, the pictures did the film no favours at all, as it was a lovely B/W print when viewed. Myself, I have always put my trust in
what I'm told,usually to the good.If someone tells me that there is
a mark or series of splices, thats fine, and I can take it or leave it.
I don't think Michael was implying anything bad Osi, it was the
prints previously viewed had this printing fault,plus the fact
that you hadn't screened it yet due to spool size on your machine.Since then you've said again it's okay, so I would hope
all is well, and of course best of luck with your sale.
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 10, 2013 01:13 PM
ThanX Hugh! You know, I've been thinking, if the print doesn't sell this week, I might actually buy it myself, not as anything I would really collect, but as a investment. After all, it is quite a rarity!
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Osi Osgood
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posted January 12, 2013 01:01 PM
Yup, sure can, (answer for myself). Actually, someone else brought up this old thread, I had forgotten about it before I had listed this for sale at first on this forum, but then this old thread came up and I became alarmed as the screenshots on this series of posts are not indicitive of the print I'm selling. I'm not sure if I'll list it again on ebay, as i might well buy it for myself after all. I liked what I saw when I watched it. ore interested in the cast than the subject, actually. I was always a fan of Claude Reins.
One of things I like about this film is that it has a top notch cast when they were at they're collective best. Later on, you would rarely see horror films with top notch casts like these, (except in the case of the actors that ended up specializing in such genre ... Price, Cushing, Karloff, Lugosi, Lee, ect.) It just makes the overall quality that much better.
You can have crappy production values even, but with a top notch cast, a really good film. Take Orson Welles "Macbeth" for instance. He completely shot that in three weeks, with so so sets, (it's been said that he raced back and forth from set to set on a bycicle to film one scene and then film another within minutes) ...
... but the film holds up very well with a stark, lean presentation of the material. I've always admired Welles.
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