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Mark Kligerman
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 - posted August 23, 2014 09:15 PM      Profile for Mark Kligerman   Email Mark Kligerman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Everyone,

Can someone please recommend a good splicer for Super and Regular 8 sound films? I bought a few movies off of Ebay recently and some of the reels are a little rough (broken sprockets, torn film, etc.). Is there a preferred splicing tape for this format?

Thanks in advance for your help.

best,
mark

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Raymond Glaser
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 - posted August 23, 2014 09:25 PM      Profile for Raymond Glaser   Email Raymond Glaser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Mark - I use a Kodak Presstape Universal splicer and it works fine for Standard 8mm or Super 8 - Also, they are fairly inexpensive - Check 'em out

Ray

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Mark Kligerman
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 - posted August 24, 2014 09:15 AM      Profile for Mark Kligerman   Email Mark Kligerman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you very much Raymond. This is really helpful.

best,
mark

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Vidar Olavesen
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 - posted August 24, 2014 09:29 AM      Profile for Vidar Olavesen   Author's Homepage   Email Vidar Olavesen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Even 16mm :-)

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Janice Glesser
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 - posted August 24, 2014 10:33 AM      Profile for Janice Glesser   Email Janice Glesser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark, I have a Kodak Universal Splicer listed on Ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201154501351?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l26 49

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted August 24, 2014 11:17 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I believe that the Kodak is the only tape splicer that handles Super 8, standard 8 and 16mm, however, if the film has magnetic stripe it does need a manual cut of the tape edge so that it does not obscure the stripe.

That's not to say that it is necessary, but if the tape is left over the sound track there will be a slight sound drop-out as it passes the magnetic head.

For an optical sound track it is not a problem.

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Mark Kligerman
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 - posted August 24, 2014 12:13 PM      Profile for Mark Kligerman   Email Mark Kligerman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for the heads-up Janice.

Maurice, if you have a moment, could you please elaborate on the editing advice you posted for sound film?

Thanks very much,
Mark

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Steve Klare
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 - posted August 24, 2014 12:25 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've presstaped over mag tracks many times without it causing anything awful through the speakers.

For one thing it wouldn't completely isolate the stripe from the head, just put a very thin layer in between, so the dropout should be partial.

For another even the partial dropout would be only about a quarter of a second anyway.

You throw in the fact that very often this occurs at the same time as an abrupt audio transition it's pretty hard for it to be a problem.

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Roger Shunk
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 - posted August 24, 2014 12:38 PM      Profile for Roger Shunk   Author's Homepage   Email Roger Shunk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark,
I have the Kodak that Janice recommends and I highly recommend getting that one. [Smile] It rocks!

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Janice Glesser
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Mark, I have an instructional video on YouTube on how to use the Kodak Presstape Splicer. If you fast forward to the end you will see how to apply to sound stripped film as Maurice mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7svDF_Gc8pk

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Joe Balitzki
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Years ago when Kodak manufactured their "Presstapes" for their splicer, it was necessary to cut off some of the edge to avoid covering the sound stripe. But its no longer necessary to do so as the splicing tape as been made just wide enough that it doesn't affect the sound. Beware of buying New Old Stock Presstapes because there were quality issues towards the end of manufacturing. When Kodak discontinued them Urbanski Film bought the rights to make them again and the quality problems were fixed. How can one tell if they are buying the New Presstapes? The New ones are in White paper and do not say Kodak at all; they only say "Presstape". While there are some perfectly good batches of New Old Stock Kodak manufactured Presstapes, if you buy a bad batch you will quickly realize it and go through numerous ones before you can make a good splice. Kodak had them manufactured for themselves and there were many Bad Batches the last few years before they were discontinued. And the quality issues were in every Format of Tapes.

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Raymond Glaser
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Hi Mark - Janice has EXACTLY the one that I suggested to you - Buy it from her and you won't go wrong !!!

Ray

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted August 25, 2014 02:26 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark
I assume your question to me has been answered. My comment was based on the Kodak instruction sheet, no doubt the Kodak splicer was introduced some years before magnetic sound tracks appeared.
However, thanks to Joe's comment, the trimming is now not necessary with the new white-packed tapes which do not state "Kodak".

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Mark Kligerman
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 - posted August 25, 2014 03:50 PM      Profile for Mark Kligerman   Email Mark Kligerman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks again everyone for your very enlightening responses. I do appreciate it.

best,
mark

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