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Joseph Randall
Master Film Handler

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From: Wyckoff, NJ, USA
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posted February 11, 2016 08:27 PM

Pulled out and watched my copy of THE SEA HAWK, another 2-parter. Picture quality is a little better than THE MALTESE FALCON, but not as good as it should be -- so Derann disappointed me a little with this one, too. One good thing, though, is that all the scenes are in the right order. Bad thing -- the narrative doesn't flow that well. You really need to be familiar with the full-length movie to know what is really going on.

I've also noticed that these Derann B&W digests don't run that smoothly through the projector -- the image jitters up-and-down a bit, even after a cleaning with Film Renew. Was there something unusual about their film stock?

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 11, 2016 09:17 PM

That will be your projector running Polyester not a film stock fault 9 times out 10.

Make appropriate adjustments to fix.

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Joseph Randall
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posted February 11, 2016 09:21 PM

Andrew,

How do I know if it's polyester, and what do I need to do to adjust?

Thanks

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 11, 2016 09:25 PM

If it's later Derann, almost certainly it's polyester.

Acetate is far more "forgiving" through the gate of most mal aligned projectors because it's simply twice as thick.

Bear this in mind when you next service your machine.
It is always about depth of penetration for any of these traits regarding S8.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted February 12, 2016 03:30 AM

The only 2 ways I know to tell if it is polyester are 1. Film cement won't join it 2. It won't easily tear it just stretches (try on off-cut of leader/run out only).

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Joseph Randall
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posted February 12, 2016 03:52 PM

Thanks -- are those Warner Brothers B&W classics later or early Derann?

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Update: it tears, so it's acetate.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted February 12, 2016 05:57 PM

I think they started about 1977/8 but were still being printed in 1990 (they were in that catalogue but not all in the 1987 one), so they probably printed on both stocks over the years. The early ones were in the big "clamshell" cases, I'm not sure how long they lasted.

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Joseph Randall
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posted February 13, 2016 03:29 PM

Yes, 2 of the 3 I have are in clamshells. The other came on an 800 foot reel w/o original boxes.

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Marc Marti
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From: La Vall d'Uixo (Spain)
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posted February 14, 2016 10:28 AM

Point your reel to a light source. If it's opaque is acetate. It it's translucid it's almost surely Polyester.

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