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Steve Klare
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posted February 20, 2016 01:56 PM

Definitely polyester stock...

If you ever had to put a repair splice in the middle of all this all bets are off!

-all conjecture anyway!

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 20, 2016 02:04 PM

For now Steve, for now. Might not be too far off being a reality dilemma for us though hopefully! [Wink]

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Steve Klare
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posted February 20, 2016 02:10 PM

Necessity is the mother of invention.

-and sometimes the mother of Production!

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Paul Browning
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posted February 20, 2016 02:27 PM

With virtual dj now you can add a few turn tables to the screen, so you could have the stereo tracks playing, and one single track for the "blips" to keep them in step, but as you say its getting them to start in the same place every time to keep them in sync, but a lot on here have done it. I read on article about another problem that happens when using computers to do this though, the sample rate change's on the computer and so un sync's the sound and film ever so slightly, but can be sorted if you know what your doing. The battle with analogue and digital goes on.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 20, 2016 02:38 PM

Yep all what you speak of is possible and has the same watchouts on all the VJ programmes. Same with my own PCDJVJ set up and DAC 3 controller from a bye gone era now.

Unlimited possibilities though for sync purposes.
Trouble is, fully flightcased it is a bit weighty though for trundling up and down the stairs for each screening sadly.

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Paul Browning
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posted February 20, 2016 03:15 PM

I got virtual on my laptop Andrew, all you need is external sound card, these have phono sockets for the leads, and audacity free software to create the blips. Its light years ahead of pc dj mate, I have copy if you want it, very stable pro version, the configs you can do are endless. Audacity can create the blips for the gs and it locks to it forever.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 20, 2016 03:53 PM

Thanks Paul, yes I'd wouldn't mind trying it out thanks on another laptop I have.

I have an AG Gigaport sound card built into my flight case
as well as a video amplification and 4 out distribution video card for serving 4 separate displays.

I always found it an excellent tool in professional use and still do now with my film dubbing exercises.
It beat matches perfectly and provides excellent visual mixes when I used it as well great reliability.

I had red before it but n ever liked it due to poor reliability in the field, but this program cured all that for me both for audio and visual mixing.

Low latency, decent visual effects and versatility when no video was available for a tune.

It's basically an 00DJ set up but with more facilities for video out than even the best 00DJ Pro laptop ever provided.

This locks to the Bauer really well also without even having pulse sync interconnects so long as you "find and lock down the program" to the projectors running speed in advance of beginning a recording.

The Bauer's motor speed is very very stable indeed right from the off.
Works well for me anyhow.

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Steven J Kirk
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posted May 29, 2016 01:56 AM

Demo of the camera at the CES event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-AwhYOHZE

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 29, 2016 10:22 AM

Thanks for posting the link - we seem to have all missed this item. Good to hear of the response and the hints that the film revival could also benefit 16mm users. There's some talk of projection and I wonder if the object on the lower left could be an old Super 8 projector? They don't mention negative stocks so I still hope they might consider bringing back colour reversal stock.

This video also has views of the camera but refers to the restriction of only having 15 minutes of film! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmuCfeKGB2w

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Steven J Kirk
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posted May 29, 2016 10:55 AM

Yes, I saw that video that followed on!... Obvious the kids doing that one were a bit bewildered by this 'film' thing.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted May 29, 2016 11:04 AM

If Kodak announce a Super 8 sound projector with socket for the SD card and with normal magnetic sound the new camera would interest me.
Otherwise no thank you.

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Tom Spielman
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posted May 29, 2016 11:32 AM

The raison d'être for Super 8 was to make movie making cheap and easy. It has long since been replaced by other technology for that. This new camera and the service that goes along with it does simplify the process of capturing a movie on film and getting a digital copy but it also sounds like it will still be an expensive undertaking for most people.

My hope is that it creates a little more competition and volume in the processing market so that prices come down. I think there are better cameras already available on the used market. Kodak's more modern version doesn't add enough for me to make it worthwhile but I can see others wanting something with a warranty and some level of support.

The return of color reversal film would be nice too but I don't think traditional projection is what Kodak has in mind with this product. That's too bad. What I've realized recently that the film "look" is only partially achieved if it's not actually projected.

At the same time, getting people interested in Super 8 again is going to be that much harder if they have to purchase a projector and a decent screen to view it on. That's one of the reasons video replaced film in the first place, - convenience.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted May 29, 2016 12:33 PM

Regarding Maurice's point, I wonder if someone with a better understanding of sync issues than I have thinks that it might be possible to come up with a way to (e.g.) screen a film on a GS in sync with the corresponding SD card?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted May 29, 2016 12:39 PM

If it doesn't use reversal film, it will be useless for most of us, I guess. Tom, no link at all with the subject but thanks to you I learned that the French expression "raison d'être" is used in the US [Smile]

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Tom Spielman
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posted May 29, 2016 03:06 PM

I guess I hadn't thought too much about the sound capabilities of this camera. Does Kodak sync the audio on the SD card with the video they get from the film? If so that's a definite upside depending on how noisy the camera is.

I'm sure the camera would take reversal film but I haven't heard anything about Kodak creating another color reversal stock. I think agfa stills make some, but I don't know how good it is or what it costs to process

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Dominique De Bast
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posted May 29, 2016 04:01 PM

Agfa makes a reversal colour stock but not specifically for movie purposes and it is grainy. A small German company makes also colour reversal filmstock but in small quantities. All our hopes are now that the Italian company brings quickly their new colour film.

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Raleigh M. Christopher
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posted May 30, 2016 08:33 AM

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I guess I hadn't thought too much about the sound capabilities of this camera. Does Kodak sync the audio on the SD card with the video they get from the film? If so that's a definite upside depending on how noisy the camera is.

No, It's up to you to sync the sound yourself in post using an NLE. You don't send in your SD cars, just the film.

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Tom Spielman
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posted May 30, 2016 10:07 AM

Thanks Raleigh. Now I see that they use "crystal sync" to precisely control the motor so that syncing sound from another source (the SD card) is possible. The camera is starting to make more sense to me as it does have some nice features that are hard to find on used cameras. I know Pro8mm will modify Canons to add crystal sync but the Kodak would be cheaper.

It's still a niche market and it would appear to be aimed squarely at digital output. As I said, I get it but I do think you lose something when you capture analog and display it digitally.

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Phil Murat
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posted May 30, 2016 10:53 AM

Hello,

This is a very exciting new!!!!

However, I understand the model showed only accepts small cartridge (3mn) and it's a pitty.
It should have a 60M capability at least....
Moreover, I expect Film Stock Manufacturers makes pecial efforts to offer improved quality material (few grainy, best colors and durability through times) to expect approaching video HD level...
Also , hope laboratories makes special efforts to warranty great processing results at attractive prices.
At this time , the problem is not to get a camera, but finding Film Stock at an attractive price.
Anymay, this new camera can be the opportunity to renew all the chain.....

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 30, 2016 03:05 PM

Whats happening regarding the Ferrania project?
It all seems to have gone quiet on that front?? [Confused]

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Dominique De Bast
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posted May 30, 2016 03:13 PM

Two months ago, I asked them : "Will film be on sale before the Summer holidays (July and August) ? I'm sad there is no filmstock for Easter. I hope it will not be too long to wait as I hear more and more people saying that it takes too much time.". I got this answer : "All we can say at this point in time is "probably, yes"... The work has begun in the factory, but there are still a large number of variables that must be solved - each in order, without failure - before we can announce a proper timeline." http://www.filmferrania.it/faq/

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Raleigh M. Christopher
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posted May 31, 2016 05:30 PM

New videos:

Current Kodak Super 8 Film Stocks

New Video: New Kodak Super 8 Camera

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Stuart Reid
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posted May 31, 2016 05:38 PM

Wow. I hope their quality control is better than their spellchecker. How did some of those howlers get through?

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Raleigh M. Christopher
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posted May 31, 2016 05:51 PM

Because a millenial intern wrote it?

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted May 31, 2016 06:18 PM

Dead right Raleigh and Stuart!

It's a big project is this, but to keep the interest levels up, I'd say they are going to have to find a way to keep to their deadlines a whole lot better in 21st century life than is currently being experienced here.

It's a fast paced world nowadays and people can, and do, lose interest and move onto alternative attentions.
It's nothing like the old days where people were quite happy to regularly experience a 35mm slide film or Super 8mm cartridge taking up to a month to be delivered and remained satisfied with the service provided.

The world has moved on since then and if like myself, you work in the consumer goods industry, your customer deadlines simply have to met irrespective of Bank Holidays, Christmas Day, people off sick etc etc.
The list is endless, but you get the gist.

Customer demands now, more than ever before, measure whether you succeed in a business venture, or indeed fail!

Let's hope once the service finally arrives, it is flawless and worthy of heaps of praise.

The same must be said for Kodak, a company that not so long back (2012) almost fell by the wayside due to lack of direction and focus on it's traditional customers behalf.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/jun/25/kodaks-town-de cline-and-fall-of-city-photography-built

These are more of the headlines we want to see.

http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/corp/Press_center/CANNES_ 2016_Heralds_Resurgence_of_KODAK_Motion_Picture_Film/default.htm

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