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Topic: Upgrading projector - Advice
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Miguel Gimenez
Film Handler
Posts: 52
From: Grenoble, France
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted April 04, 2016 02:09 AM
Thank you Alan for sharing your experience, I appreciate it and is very useful, thanks for the operation details: they help a lot to clarify questions in my mind.
Frankly it scares me a little. Of course I don't want to pay 800-1000 € and then double that. By the way, I don't know who is Bjorn in Sweden, (at side of someone that repairs Beaulieu), but I have readen that Beaulieu, in France, still repairs their cameras and projectors. Which seems a better option, at least for me that I am closer to them.
Indeed, I almost never use the built-in speakers, so it's all right.
Unhappily the web site you refer to do not have anymore the Beaulieu you mention, but I retain the price as a maximum, in case an almost-new one is found. They have two HTI though, and pretty expensive!
I keep searching.
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted April 04, 2016 03:19 AM
No problem Maurice,it really isn't too clear on any of the photographs on the one for sale.
Miguel, Alan has also given you his superb and highly accurate assessment of all things Beaulieu, so in my opinion, given the experience of people like Alan, you are in a very well informed position to now go on and select a very good machine.
As with any other, there are plenty of pitfalls and obstacles to overcome, but with careful selection of questions asked to a potential seller, and then some kind of video evidence of its performance, you should be able to ensure you receive a nice fully working machine to begin with and any slight tweaks needed to improve upon its already decent performance levels, shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility if you have some understanding as to how these things work.
They are nearly all 30 plus years old now, so just like a well cherished 30 year old classic car, you perhaps cannot expect total perfection running conditions from it as soon as you receive it. Unless it has had plenty of money on New spare parts spent on it over the decades.
The good news is, in almost every case, the parts are out there to get these things like new again, for the likely wear items.
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Incidentally, one thing to bear in mind with these or any other Super 8mm sound projector is, the internal speakers, given the restrictive size of the rear cover and all of the inner workings it has contained within, are only ever designed to be used as monitor speakers.
So it would be wrong to judge the sound from these, or indeed any other Super 8mm machine, purely based on what you hear from the internal speakers.
The internal speakers on these machines, as with many others, are only tiny comparatively, and therefore the internal amplifier distributes only a fraction of it's available output power through to the internal speakers.
The sound therefore will of course sound "thin", especially through these internal speakers, as they simply cannot replicate decent bass levels.
Once you attach some decent 4 or 8 ohm speakers onto the ends of those 2 pin din connectors, then you will hear the capabilities of these in earnest with a decent Stereo track running through it.
Better still if use external speakers connected locally to the projector and also slave out at the same time to your screen room through an external amplifier, which this machine can do simultaneously.
[ April 04, 2016, 04:53 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Andrew Woodcock
Film God
Posts: 7477
From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted April 05, 2016 12:16 PM
I have one Osi, but with respect, it's poles apart from any of the machines in serious contention and spoken of here.
Why would you consider a 938 or 9500 to be the best option for Miguel here Osi, given his upgrade requirements?
The 938,while an excellent projector, wouldn't be the brightest option for an audience of 10, nor does it have plausible recording facilities given its a.c. friction drive design.
The guy by preference, wants HTI brightness levels, then why on earth would you recommend a Chinon 9500??
Bear in mind, I recommended a T610 only for Miguels recording work, it is a far brighter machine than a 938, no question.
But even then, I didn't recommend it as his showcase machine as I feel the brightest levels achievable from T610 would fall way short of his expectations based on its design and his requirements here.
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