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Tom Spielman
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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 - posted June 30, 2016 12:12 AM      Profile for Tom Spielman   Email Tom Spielman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Might be time for full disclosure. Part of my job over the last decade has involved capturing analog and digital data. Not sound or video and nothing that requires that level of resolution or sampling rate to faithfully reproduce.

What I do involves various types of sensors. I'm not sampling data at a rate of thousands of times per second, but I am sampling it over a period of weeks, months, and sometimes years which brings its own set of challenges.

While the graph that Raleigh posted the link to is illustrative in how it shows the differences between analog and digital signals, it's not very representative in terms of accuracy if you were trying to capture audio or video. It's showing a very clean and smooth analog signal with a very poor digital sampling rate.

Below is a graph with better digital resolution:

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As you improve the digital resolution, it will more closely follow the curve to the point where if it's audio for example, the human ear can't distinguish the difference. This has been confirmed in blind tests.

The other thing to remember is that imperfections exist and are introduced into the analog signal. When digitizing it's possible to eliminate that "noise" to give a truer representation of the actual analog information.

You're right Raleigh that we are destined to not a agree on a lot of things when it comes to analog vs digital. Here's what I will say though. While there are exceptions, In general it's not pleasing to look at a photo that's visibly pixilated. Nor is it pleasing to look at a picture that's too grainy. But a slight grain might actually be pleasing, whereas a slight pixelation is at best just OK.

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Brian Fretwell
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 - posted June 30, 2016 04:16 AM      Profile for Brian Fretwell   Email Brian Fretwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just a couple of ideas.

The main practical difference between analogue and digital signals is that analogue ones change when copied due to small non linearities in analogue media, digital ones (with checking for copy errors) don't. A film pirate's dream come true so copy protection has to be inserted.

As the graph shows the frequency of sampling and number of steps of level that are encoded decides the fidelity of the signal (low numbers in either/ both add quantisation noise when reconverted, as the signal will not exactly match the original). I don't want to get into the differential algebra involved it's been too long a time since I did Delta X and Delta Y in school. The steps between levels in the digital signal are ironed out by the digital - analogue converters so they have to be of the best quality, the reason add on converters became big business in the high end CD Hi-Fi world.

The high bit rate for the best in the digital world means almost all signals are compressed, often in a way that loss of several bits/bytes means a great disruption to the sound or picture quality. In digital MPEG2 TV this can lead to one picture with elements moving in the shape of the next shot for a second, a bit like the Predator in the film of the same name moving against the forest background.

What I have put is all a bit circular so the order in which I have put the above may not be the best - sorry. And no conclusions from me as I think both systems have their place.

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Raleigh M. Christopher
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 - posted June 30, 2016 08:32 AM      Profile for Raleigh M. Christopher     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think digital video has it's place too: It's great for the evening news, sports, porn (not being sarcastic at all), and just a lot of programming on television.

But I prefer my CINEMA on real bonafide analog FILM.

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