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Stuart Reid
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 - posted April 04, 2017 03:14 AM      Profile for Stuart Reid     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
£200 for HTI conversion Andrew? Money very well spent in my opinion.

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Phil Murat
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Hi Andrew, 1000Hrs as expected Life duration sounds to me quite low, do you confirm ?
Announced times for VideoPrpjectors Xenon life is more or less around 4000Hrs (6000 Hrs Eco Use, derated power).

Are these Xenon offering a different technology ?

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Maurice Leakey
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Some details, Phil.
http://www.djsupplies.co.uk/hid-150w-lamp-acme-xenpow-395-p.asp

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Andrew Woodcock
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these Details are correct as Maurice has now explained.
It is around half the expected lifespan that other Metal Halide lamps I have previously come across, tend to last for, but it is far cheaper than those also.

Stuart, the reason why I figured I could bring this home on my twin track for around £200, is simply because I feel I would not need to spend on parts for a Dowser mechanism as I think I'd already have enough old working spares from old Disco lighting fixtures to be able to make a professional appearance and functioning Dowser for zero outlay.

The project would stand me at the cost for the outlay of the ballast and lamp and then just a few other electrical components from RS or Maplin to complete the work successfully I think.

Let's also remember, the fact this fits straight into the existing lamp holder etc, also helps.

This price point assumes I need no further cooling but this has been done before and proved successful by a projector
Specialist.

The Beaulieu built in fan is a highly efficient fan for exhausting the heat from the lamp and has all metal ducting acting as a fan cowl to safely do so without the risk of melting any plastic components anywhere.
The lamp house itself is also all metal with no risk from very high temperatures in there.

It would still interest me greatly though beforehand, to find out exactly what temperature these Xenpow H.I.D. lamps run at compared to the A1 232 Xenophot.

The twin track also only contains a fixed 3 bladed shutter.
2/3 bladed ones are still available, but as we know, at considerable cost.

If we factor this modification into the project to complete it, the overall cost for me would then look more like £500.

The Stereo model I have, does already contain a variable shutter, but as said previously, I do not feel these type of conversions lend themselves entirely to a one for all solution where the projection of film is concerned.

The HTI/ HID type very much lend themselves towards the screening of full features in one run, while the halogen lamp is the perfect type of lamp for all kinds of films projected in the home environment.
It powers up and down as often as you like, achieves full levels of brightness instantaneously,remains perfectly bright enough within the home for all screen sizes when on two blades and keeps the machine in its original authentic state.

It is for the above reasons why I would never for one moment, consider converting my Stereo model, but would then like to add an additional high intensity model alongside it, just maybe to use for exhibition hall use one day and for the feature full length runs in the home,especially for the all consuming scope screenings that really do test your lamp power to its limit.
For all of these reasons I figure I could use a high power model, but only so long as there is no additional fan noise incurred after carrying out the modification.

[ April 05, 2017, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Phil Murat
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Hello Maurice, Andrew

Sure this is a very exciting project, with different options to be consider.....
I am thinking too about a seperate motor dedicated to Cooling Fan to deload main motor and to keep a constant Speed Fan independantly from Main Motor speed.
So the idea is to have main motor only devoted to film motion (Claw, Sprockets)

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Andrew Woodcock
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Maurice, are you able to take a temperature reading of your Xenpow lamp in run at full working temperature/ light output?

Phil, i personally dont believe you have too much to concern yourself by from the minimal load applied to the main motor by driving the fan. It is a tiny fractional proportion of the overall load encountered by this motor carrying out all of its normal duties.
I'd be much more inclined to concern myself more by rewinding the large reels using the older type spindles than i ever would by worrying myself regarding this particular aspect here.

Motors are ten a penny now (as you know) and so far i've never had one fail yet through one overloading for any reason.

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Maurice Leakey
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Andrew
Sorry. I have no facilities to measure the lamp's temperature, but I can say it's quite minimal.
As it is advertised as something of a replacement for the ELC, one would assume the working temperature would be similar.
Holding my hand at the top of the 644's lamp house, there is only a gentle warmth being emitted.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Thanks again Maurice, that'll do for me. [Smile]

I will make a start on this now then in the summer months ahead.
I needed to quieten it down a little anyhow to match my other, I will time this work in with this project now and post some pics and video when it is all complete.

Thanks once again here Maurice for your valuable input on this one. It has been extremely helpful for me.

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