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Adam Deierling
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So I recently purchased a feature film off eBay where the description read "Low Fade". When I received the print it was printed on Kodak SP stock. When I asked the seller about this he said "As stated in the listing the film stock was not marked. The film cans do say low fade. Most collectors that I have dealt with consider SP to be a low fade stock, especially when compared to Eastman."

I would love to hear everyone thoughts on this...

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Osi Osgood
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It's obviously not, (low fade, that is). Even when you still have Kodak SP today that still looks as good as when it was printed, it WILL fade, sooner or later.

I hope that the color is at least pristine on you're print you recived. If so, most definitely, store it wisely. I would ask for at least a partial refund as, if a person is selling something as low fade, it is thier duty to be sure that it is low fade, (and not just believe the film can or box label), as, let's face it, you bid on it because ou were assured low fade. Partial or half refund to be sure. Fortunately, as buyer, you can pursue this on ebay rather easily.

Any Kodak SP's I have immediately go into cold storage, just to maintain that lovely color that they presently have.

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Adam Deierling
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Half refund..ha! That would be nice. He offered me $50 for a $550 purchase... I figured $200 to be fair but settled for $100. If I didn't like the movie s much I would have returned it for a full refund.

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Nigel Higgins
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is this movie batman by any chance

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Adam Deierling
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No. I am not going to say the film title because I do not want people to know who the seller is. Sorry....

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Nigel Higgins
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i fully understand that ,it was just that i saw said film with similar description not long ago .

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Winbert Hutahaean
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quote:
the listing the film stock was not marked.
Adam, how do you know if it is on Kodak SP if the stock was not marked?

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Adam Deierling
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The seller said it wasn't marked but I easily found the stock markings after the first few feet of the film. It is infact Kodak SP

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I see know.

My experience, I found some films are marked as Eastman which we always think as a dreadead fade stock but they have not faded at all. Some say they are Eastman LPP which is actually not marked like that.

I beleive something printed after 1980 will be low fade no matter what stock they are. Can you find out the lab mark on the leader when it was printed?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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I see know.

My experience, I found some films are marked as Eastman which we always think as a fast fade stock but they have not faded at all. Some say they are Eastman LPP which is actually not marked like that.

I beleive something printed after 1980 will be low fade no matter what stock they are. Can you find out the lab mark on the leader when it was printed?

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Maurice Leakey
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For Kodak edge codes relating to a specific year you can click on the details below.
http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f1/t011524.html

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Osi Osgood
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It all depends on who printed the film and why, as to whether low fade film stock was used after 1980. For instance, even after low fade L.P.P. was introduced, super 8 optical film features were still printed on, quite frankly, as a general rule, the cheapest stock available. After all, they were only going to be used for the short term, a few months tops and then destroyed. I has seen super 8 ooptical features, all the way up to 1986 that were most definitely printed on Kodak SP.

I'm sure that there were no doubt other super 8 companies that used whatever was available for less, as long as they could.

We can all be quite thankful that the U.K. (and elsewhere overseas), tended to use low fade as much as possible, which is why you can still get low fade WDHM digests and shorts from the late 70's until they stopped producing them.

That can not as easily be said for U.S. super 8 producers, sadly ...

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