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Topic: Exorbitant prices for super 8
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 11, 2018 04:58 PM
You nailed it Jason.
That is exactly I was saying (and Alan) that this used to be a hobby for rich families. Can you imagine to spend $54 for a 16 minutes show...unbelievable!!! ...(without need to calculate inflation rate which make it to become $205) spending $54 does still sound very expensive for a tertiary need, even for today's standard.
Now for a 600' brand new "True Lies" is $260 (right price after calculating the inflation rate compared to what they charge in 1980). I did not buy it, because I am not a rich person plus I have another more important things to spend. But this hobby now is no longer for the riches because rich people will play Bluray with HD 4K projector instead.
So this is like golfing that used to be only for the riches but now ordinary people can also play, but still the ordinary need to pay from their deep pocket to enjoy it.
Suddenly we complain why it becomes so expensive now?...it is expensive from a long time ago.
As for Terminator 2 selling for £2500 if it is truly happened, it is once for a while, not everyday's price. You cannot take it into general case, surely.
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My eldest son would love to do cine properly, he simply can`t. 3 children and at present 4 jobs between them and they just about sort of scrape by.
Mark, I believe your son really loves cine but still have more priority in his lives. So he did not want to spend all his pocket money for cine. But as I said in the earliest, there are young new collectors who do not bother spending $$$ buying those Derann's used prints. Why? because they have more money. They are richer than us.
cheers,
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Winbert
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Jason Smith
Master Film Handler
Posts: 358
From: Tohoku, Japan
Registered: Oct 2015
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posted March 11, 2018 07:36 PM
Ok films going for £500 plus but how would you explain Terminator 2 selling for £2500,that's not inflation that's pure madness,a truly fine example of super 8 gone bonkers,Mark
I agree with you on that. The problem is that Super 8 collectors around the world owe Derann and the UK a lot of thanks. The quality of the prints Derann brought us is amazing.
The problem with titles like Terminator II is that it is a print that many people want. Sometimes at any cost.
I see a lot of discussion here about how high prices have discouraged new people from getting into the hobby. The bigger problem is that newer people like myself that got into the hobby (I am going on 2 1/2 years) or returnees to the hobby have unfortunately driven up prices.
I am not bidding up prices but more competition for fewer top shelf and popular titles makes some sellers realize they can charge more. If there were less collectors around then prices on eBay would go down.
If you are limiting yourself to Derann features on Super 8 and you are looking for Predator, Alien, Star Wars, Terminator II then Super 8 collecting is expensive.
I have started to branch into 16mm and look for titles that suit my interests and there are plenty of titles at afforable prices.
In the past year, I have seen several Derann Super 8 features on eBay while their 35mm equivalents were also for sell on eBay. The Derann prints were close to the cost of the 35mm prints.
Again, if we want to blame anyone for the price of Super 8 prices going up...lets blame all of the new collectors like me or returnees to the hobby who sold all of their prints. Less competition for prints would bring down prices.
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 12, 2018 07:25 AM
As it happens Mark, here is another copy for sale,
Not mine i hasten to add,
Oh and it has marks throughout by the looks of it, the first one went for 1800 odd and that had green scratches and lines etc,(as the ad stated) this one has awful marks throughout,
Mine is re-recorded to stereo, has a great image, (a few light black lines occasionally on the very far right) but for a couple of minutes during the last 100ft there is an image fault where it goes in and out of focus for a couple of minutes. The actual print is not damaged, this is within the print itself and its never bothered me. The quality is A1, so mine must be worth a bob or two if the last ones sold like this with all the problems they had. Inflation my ass! It's the titles.
At a guess looking at the videos which the seller has put up, it must have been a white box special. I couldn't sit through this.
https://www.ebay.c o.uk/itm/Super-8mm-Terminator-2-LPP-Scope-Full-Feature-Film-Derann/183110786680?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 12, 2018 09:51 AM
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this is exactly what this thread is about
Mark and Tom,
Why you guys now are trying to shift the discussion to become "bad print with exorbitant price"?? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
The initial poster was exactly saying he bought a good print at half price from a forum sale (which is also a good print).
Keep the discussion on track please.
And Mark if you cannot provide the link of £2500 for Terminator 2, do not use that as a base of your argument.
You don't believe in the inflation rate but can understand the price of brandnew 600' "True Lies" which is $260 now.
In 1978 the price of 400' is $50-54 making 600" would become around $76. Do the math with the inflation rate, you will get almost the same value to what the price of True Lies now.
Finally, I would kindly ask, if you are going to sell your prints, pleae do not list them at Ebay, sell them here, in this forum, at low price please.
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Cheers,
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Winbert
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