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Topic: Bad sound on "Once Upon a Mouse"
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Bill Brandenstein
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1632
From: California
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted March 20, 2018 11:33 PM
Well, I got myself a turkey: bought a Derann print of "Once Upon a Mouse" knowing it had a sound issue, only to find out after the purchase that this title's never been released on home video in the USA. Good job, Bill, so much for finding an easy re-recording source.
That leaves me three options: a UK video cassette, or someone to kindly record a track and send me a digital file, or a kind soul who would loan me a print. In that case, I'd create a pulse-locked digital track from a GS-1200, digitally clean it, then record it back to the faulty print.
Anyone feeling charitable?
I guess a fourth option would be to send my print to YOU and pay you to do the work.
Help? Anyone?
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Bill Brandenstein
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posted March 22, 2018 07:10 PM
Graham, you are such a class act. Thank you.
So now I know there are two YouTube versions, one from what appears to be a VHS off-air dub, and another from a Super 8mm print. I've ripped files and examined the audio in Adobe Audition, and both are pretty grim, with lots of noise and very poor bandwidth that stops just above 4Khz, like a telephone. And the Super 8 audio is clipped so badly, I'm surprised YouTube didn't reject it on that basis alone. But otherwise, it has better fidelity of the two.
It's entirely possible all Super 8 prints are similar in noise and fidelity. We're just so incredibly spoiled by good DVD or even VHS Hi-Fi tracks!
So Graham, I'm struggling here because I don't want to look the proverbial gift horse in the mouth. See, the cassette format has such huge vulnerabilities to pitch fluctuation and azimuth errors, I could try to work with this, but will still need to digitize anything you send me so I can re-sync it in the computer, and even then may be quite challenging. Is there ANY way you can take an audio line out of the GS-1200 and record it directly into a line input of a computer? If you could record a wave file at 48Khz, uncompressed PCM, and send the large file to me via wetransfer.com, that would be INCREDIBLE.
My procedure: once the print arrives, to dub the existing faulty track into the computer, locked to 23.976. That would provide a guide track by which to edit and synchronize the best track option to come my way, including cuts and pitch shifting.
Anyway, there's nothing like you forum friends, and I'm grateful, and in this case Graham especially.
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Bill Brandenstein
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1632
From: California
Registered: Aug 2007
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posted April 24, 2018 02:23 PM
So. Got this done last night. Not sure this is a Derann print, and if it is, this batch was BAD. All I can tell you is it's on LPP 1990 stock, and the grain is not subtle, the overall look is dupey and oversaturated, with the worst part about it being that it's on the dark side. The small print in the end credits is illegible, and the "Old Mill" clip is too dark to see anything at its darkest.
That's quite a difference from what's described here in Paul's review.
So the "hum" is motorboating noise from a misaligned 35mm optical pickup reading into the sprocket hole area. So it was on their mag master. Due to compressor/limiter processing of the sound, it's a full-volume hum during the opening text crawl that should be silent. Worse, there's a 5+-minute section where the sound and picture are off by about a full second. The print's mag track has lots of clarity issues due to who knows what - sounds like an endless mess of instantaneous dropouts. If this is Derann, they should've been embarrassed.
A 16mm track would be a tremendous improvement but I have no way to do a locked dub, and since the Super 8 track is out of sync, I can't do a straight audio match without creating a way to get a sync-locked video dub of the picture.
Worse, there's some print damage that the seller didn't disclose. So that may determine what I do next.
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