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Mark Davies
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From: Stourbridge, UK
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 - posted August 27, 2018 06:05 AM      Profile for Mark Davies   Email Mark Davies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just scanned in my parent-in-laws wedding video (S8) and it's upside down. Even if the film was transversed, it would just be a mirror image yes?

I'm looking at it, scratching my head.. did they hold the camera upside down? was it processed upside down, or have I missed a combination that you could possibly load the film incorrectly?

MAD I tell you.. MAD!!

It doesn't really matter, I'll just flip the image in software, but I am puzzled.

Kind Regards Mark

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted August 27, 2018 10:21 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A long time ago...when computer is not available to make a trick, shooting with upside down position was meant to make a backward scene trick.

For example you are going to make the scene people walking backward, then you need to shoot with the camera upside down.

This trick is most often used for jumping to the attic scene just like in a Kungfu movies

[Wink]

With a simple editor at that time, we cut that particular scene and spliced the last frame into the first frame where the action is to start. When we are splicing it we need to turn the film (upside down) therefore the way of shooting with upside down camera will be corrected during this edit while we will see backward action during the screening.

Hope you understand now. Perhaps there was that idea during the shooting of that wedding film but not get executed later on.

Cheers,

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Winbert

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Mark Davies
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 - posted August 27, 2018 01:28 PM      Profile for Mark Davies   Email Mark Davies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Understand Winbert, but in this case it makes no sense.

After some investigation, it's not a wedding, but that makes no odds. What does make odds is that in the film I now notice the person and his side kick filming (the side kick has an illumination bulb) holding the camera. The camera is the correct orientation.

As far as I am aware, there is no transfer of reels during development, therefore the reel in the camera is the one developed and thus the one in my possession?

There would also be no logical point, this is a simple get together in a pub?

Thoughts?

[Edit] And now on even further examination, it's backwards. Again no problem there, I will just reverse the film and re-publish. It's not a great clip to be honest and needs some work. I still though cannot get my head round it starting off upside down on the actual film when it was filmed with the camera correctly orientated.

[Edit Edit] I have just has a eureka moment. Of course it can be upside down. It's a combination of playing the film once and leaving it on the take up reel. Then rather than rewind, take the reel and fit it again to the source reel only then maybe fit it to the arm the wrong way. HA!! Cripes. The fact the film was backwards has just dropped the penny.

Kind Regards Mark.

[ August 28, 2018, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Mark Davies ]

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Will Trenfield
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 - posted August 28, 2018 07:02 PM      Profile for Will Trenfield   Email Will Trenfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You beat me to it! I replicated your problem earlier by doing just that.

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Mark Davies
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 - posted August 29, 2018 06:08 AM      Profile for Mark Davies   Email Mark Davies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Will, embarrassingly I had in my head that the perforation was at the bottom or top of the frame and not the side. What a duffus.

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Brian Fretwell
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 - posted August 29, 2018 06:28 AM      Profile for Brian Fretwell   Email Brian Fretwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
you were thinking of 9.5mm film obviously.

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