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Pierre Beuzat
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From: Lyon, France
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 - posted August 29, 2018 08:23 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre Beuzat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi everyone !

Still trying to learn more about Super 8 filmmaking through your expertise and advices, here I am again with the 6th episode of the Super8ThisPlanet project.

For those who don't this project yet, the idea is to capture, with one cartridge for each, different capitals around the globe and their atmosphere on Super 8 film.

After Amsterdam, Rome, Berlin, London, and Vienna, here is the latest episode set in Prague : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Ce786YT0M Prague on Super 8

As usual, I'm looking forward to read your advices and other comments, so that the upcoming Super 8 films can be improved [Wink]

Thanks a lot to each of you, and long live to analog!

Pierre

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Paul Adsett
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Pierre. my immediate reaction to your film is that it looks totally different to the super 8mm that I remember. The color is very muted and the picture quality is not very sharp. I don't know if this is due to film stock, processing, or transfer, but super 8mm film is supposed to dazzle you with its beautiful saturated colors, and this does not.

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Mike Spice
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 - posted August 29, 2018 10:21 AM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I saw mention of Amsterdam on Super8, I had to go right to the Amsterdam film.

Amsterdam is like a second home to me...

I only have 1080p video from Amsterdam so I really enjoyed your 8mm footage.

As mentioned the colours do see a little muted and contrast a little washed out, but really most enjoyable, so thank you for sharing.

I shall be linking to your Amsterdam video for my facebook friends!

I would be interested to know how you got the film to youtube, and the scanning technique used.

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Pierre Beuzat
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 - posted August 31, 2018 08:23 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre Beuzat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Paul and Mike, thanks a lot for your replies.

Yes I quite agree with you Paul. I'm a bit sad that it wasn't only my feeling... The thing is that I changed the lab for the processing. Plus I was hesitating between keeping using 500T stock or starting using 50D. Next time I'll definitely change for 50D! Thanks for the feedback though.

I'm so glad you enjoyed the footage Mike, Amsterdam is such a lovely city! Feel free to share, and massive cheers once again.

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Pierre Beuzat
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 - posted September 04, 2018 04:10 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre Beuzat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Please don't hesitate in case you can give any feedback. I would really love to learn from your knowledge of Super 8 filmmaking [Smile] Have a great day till then!

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Rob Young.
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Hi Pierre.

Just a thought, but as you are shooting 500D negative, there should be a lot of contrast and colour in the negative itself.

Perhaps the muted look is in the grading of the negative?

How are you producing the positive image?

I'd certainly look at re-grading the negative.

Good luck with your project and please do keep posting your results.

Best,

Rob.

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Pierre Beuzat
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 - posted September 06, 2018 03:32 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre Beuzat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Rob, and thanks a lot for the feedback!

Unfortunately I don't have enough knowledge about film procesing to do it myself, so I sent it to the Andec lab, located in Berlin.

I agree with you on the fact that a lot of contrast is missing, even though it has been shot in 500T negative, but I still don't understand the reason why so much is missing...Do you think it's all due to the processing?

Anyway, I think I should probably choose 50D for the next film. Don't you think?

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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted September 06, 2018 06:25 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Which camera are you using ?

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Pierre Beuzat
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Hello Dominique,

I'm using a Canon 518 SV camera [Smile]

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Rob Young.
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 - posted September 07, 2018 06:56 AM      Profile for Rob Young.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well Pierre, 500D is quite fast for shooting in daylight, so perhaps your negative is over exposed.

Are you using auto exposure?

If so, I don't know your camera, but perhaps others could advise whether or not it will properly recognise 500D film using auto exposure, or whether you need to use manual exposure settings.

Certainly I would try 50D as a comparison, although this will generally require brightly illuminated scenes to work well.

I would definitely talk to Andec and ask about the exposure on your negative, ie. is it exposed correctly? And discuss grading with them.

You might like to have a look at this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njg2i99fVzk

Obviously super 8 will have more grain and not be as sharp due to the limits of the camera lens.

I also found this example on super 8;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycjIzsbjN2s

It is a little concerning as Paul has pointed out, the contrast is no where near as good as old Kodachrome or even Ektachrome reversal.

Do keep experimenting and keep us updated.

Hopefully others here shooting super 8 negative will join in.

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Brian Fretwell
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Also if there is good light will the lens stop down enough anyway. Its minimum could still over expose a 500R film. If so a neutral density filter on the lens would help.

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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
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 - posted September 09, 2018 07:51 PM      Profile for Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Email Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scanning Super8 negative is one of the most challenging task I've ever met. Done a few rolls for my customer,still can't nail it down. [Roll Eyes] Fortunately my customer seems OK with the result.

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Pierre Beuzat
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 - posted September 13, 2018 04:29 AM      Profile for Pierre Beuzat   Author's Homepage   Email Pierre Beuzat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks a lot for these advice Rob, Brian and Nantawak!

I can't change anything dealing with exposure on this camera Rob. So I probably got an automatic exposure indeed..

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