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Phil Daniel
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From: Hemet, CA, USA
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 - posted October 22, 2018 11:35 AM      Profile for Phil Daniel   Email Phil Daniel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi All, I was wondering if anyone out there has the same Movie Maker and has made or has plans to make a reel adapter that will feed and takeup film on larger film reels? Also looking for directions to make some kind of "hood" that will cover the light plate and lens while feeding film through the machine.

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Kamel Ikhlef
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 - posted October 24, 2018 04:49 AM      Profile for Kamel Ikhlef   Email Kamel Ikhlef   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I work Actually on printing 3d Model. it's yet not finish.

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Mike Spice
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 - posted October 24, 2018 05:09 AM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I stopped using any form of take up on these machines. I now use a large clean plastic bin to drop the film in.

As for a cover, I just stand a small book in front of the scanning area.

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Kamel Ikhlef
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 - posted October 24, 2018 06:46 AM      Profile for Kamel Ikhlef   Email Kamel Ikhlef   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello,

do you know what lens is used on wolverine camera ? focal length (12mm ?) if it is screw can be replaced by a better lens 5MP megapixel low distortion? the more we get a very good quality at first mp4 compression will be better.

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Phil Daniel
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 - posted October 25, 2018 05:36 PM      Profile for Phil Daniel   Email Phil Daniel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike, I can see where your idea would work but I am going to be converting other peoples films for them. Is there any danger of the films getting damaged or twisted up by using a bin?

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Mike Spice
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 - posted October 26, 2018 02:22 AM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would suggest you take a 200ft reel of your own and try it, that way you can tell for yourself how you feel about such a method.

As long as the box is clean, and large enough for the film to lay itself down, and the film allowed to drop from the gate, allowing the film to follow it's natural coil, it will not come to any harm in a box and a very slow gentle hand rewind with a movie viewer, it should not prove a problem.

I have done this now with 400ft reels without problem.

Of course it's your choice how you deal with a customers film, but if you spend four hours scanning a 400 ft reel and there is frame jitter in the scan from the take up, you have a couple of options.

a/ split the reel to two 200ft reels to reduce the weight and try again

b/ don't use the take up at all and almost certainly get 100% jitter free scan.

My best suggestion would be, get some experience scanning your own film first, using a drop box, and see how it goes using your own film first.

A 400ft reel will have an edit at some point around the 200ft mark, so you could easily split a 400 to two reels and drop 200ft at a time instead of the entire 400ft reel if you feel that is better for you.

You might just be surprised at the result once you get over the alarm of seeing a box of loose film!

I have even done a couple of reels from box to box and not used the feed spindle or the take up on the Wolverine.

It's not ideal and of course, one shouldn't have to go to such lengths, but the problems with these machines are well documented and I had to find a way to produce jitter free scans.

I have also installed a switch in the back of the Wolverine case to turn off the take up motor.

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Phil Daniel
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 - posted October 26, 2018 07:42 AM      Profile for Phil Daniel   Email Phil Daniel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike, Thanks so much for your reply and insight! My machine is in for repair (bad sensor) but should be back next week. I will try your suggestions. I will let you know how it goes.

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Mike Spice
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 - posted October 31, 2018 10:57 AM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Phil Daniel here is my drop box in action.
Also note the very expensive hand crafted light shield to stop any sunlight getting in!

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A few hours later, here's how it looks on rewind
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150ft coiled up and scanned.
jitter free
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So you can see, nothing to be afraid of dropping film in to a large clean box.
it really does make a difference to my scans.

There is nothing worse than wasting an afternoon scanning, only to find the take up reel caused all sorts of jitter issues....

I am due to scan a couple of 400ft reels at the weekend, wait until you see the photo of 400ft dropped in a plastic box!

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Mike Spice
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 - posted November 03, 2018 12:08 PM      Profile for Mike Spice   Email Mike Spice   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
And here is what 400ft looks like, not for the faint hearted...but it works just fine

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Bill Phelps
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 - posted November 03, 2018 05:12 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have had similar mishaps behind the projector (not on purpose) and you are correct if left undisturbed it does come back on a reel/spool easy enough...but the image still gives me the shivers!!! [Smile]

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