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Pasquale DAlessio
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 - posted February 20, 2012 07:48 AM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio   Email Pasquale DAlessio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here we go again! Let's see how much this one sells for.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAR-WARS-SUPER-8MM-SOUND-SUPER-8-FULL-FILM-VGC-/400278540685?pt=UK_DVD_Film_TV_OtherFormats_GL&hash=item5d3275d18d

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Jim Schrader
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 - posted February 20, 2012 08:30 AM      Profile for Jim Schrader   Author's Homepage   Email Jim Schrader   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
the seller claims it was sealed then how come there is one reel that is different?

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Lee Purkis
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 - posted February 20, 2012 08:41 AM      Profile for Lee Purkis   Email Lee Purkis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can see that it's a late agfa copy as well so it could be bluish, i really doubt that it will be much good. Someone will probably pay silly money and end up being disappointed. I don't see why there are no screen shots either, the seller has a camera and only just ran it.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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 - posted February 20, 2012 09:44 AM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio   Email Pasquale DAlessio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Help me Obi Wan Kanobi... your my only hope!

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Lee Purkis
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Pat it's worth no more than £249.99 [Razz]

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Pasquale DAlessio
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Lee

I'm sure it is. May the force be with you!

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Lee Purkis
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 - posted February 20, 2012 12:53 PM      Profile for Lee Purkis   Email Lee Purkis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I reckon it's going to be a rough print. It looks like it was made up from salvage parts from a couple of returned prints, then resealed and sold on again by Derann. That's my theory anyway.

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Larry Arpin
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Lee-How can you tell it is an Agfa print? I didn't see anything in the description.

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Michael O'Regan
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I think Agfa or AG1S or AG2S may be just about readable on the print in the third pic there but I couldn't be sure.

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Lee Purkis
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It does say AG2s on the 2nd reel down and on the third reel down it says AG1s, so at least two reels are definitely agfa.

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Osi Osgood
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Well, it's certainly not a "shrink wrapped" or cellophaned brand new print, as those are not the "vintage" reels it was sold on.

But then the reels aren't all that important, of course. I'm always fascinated as to just how much these end up going for, (STAR WARS, that is), as it can get rather silly. I'm not complaining, my extra print went for a thousand and of course, we know of one lucky seller who got 1,700 or so for his!

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Michael O'Regan
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It's always fascinated me actually. Why does this title sell for so high a price?

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Osi Osgood
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Two very imnportant factors, which no other super 8 print can say ...

1. It's STAR WARS
2. It's Star Wars!

OK, that doesn't explain it.

The main reason why is the "cross-over" value.

While most super 8 prints would only appeal to Super 8 col-lectors, (duh!), STAR WARS appeals to a much wider audience of collectors.

Many a STAR WARS fan, even if they don't even own a super 8 projector, are willing to bid this title up, just to say that they own an actual film print of they're beloved movie. I can understand that, and appreciate it, (as I have, of course, profited by it.)

... and that's why people who own super 8 are befuddled when they think, "Oh Goodie! I can sell "Seven Brides for Seven Brother", for a thousand, onlt to see it sit on ebay forever.
Other super 8 prints will never have the resale value that STA WARS has.

In truth, the Super 8 STAR WARS feature is just about the only (or perhaps one of the few) that actually is worth more than when it was first printed, even when comparing pound for pound from back then!

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Michael O'Regan
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That sounds reasonable.
I never really got the whole SW thing.

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Osi Osgood
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By the way! HEY MIcheal! Good to hear from ya!

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Larry Arpin
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And it's the original version and not altered. Even the DVD's are out of print and going for big bucks:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_6?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1329853057&sr=1-6

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David Kilderry
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Screen shots are up now. Reel two at least looks good to me, not washed out and good solid blues without being "blueish".

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Osi Osgood
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I like the blacks in some of those shots, (the shot with the DeathStar, for instance). Some prints, as commented on before, will have a bluish tend, which affects the space. When I compared the two prints I roginally owned, one had a slightly bluish cast, and that's the one I parted with. People who don't really know color quality and saturation wouldn't give a rip ...

but hey, I'm "preaching to the choir" here! With a title like this, you want as perfect a color saturation as possible.

By the way, I have seen a few prints that have been slightly too green in thier color as well.

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Rob Young.
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Wow, we're giving this seller a hard time.

He listed it at 0.99p

Sorry, but that does look like Derann shrink wrap, spilt edges and all.

Osi, sorry to disagree (again; honestly, I'm not trying to make a habit of this) but those are vintage Derann spools. They're Grasso spools surely?

Now the original print run were generally on white Grasso spools, but Derann often mixed black / white spools, and I've received many a brand new feature from Derann on a complete variety of spools!

The writing on the spools in white marker on black / black on white is exactly as Derann would have marked them...maybe the guy is also a hand writing fraudster.

The fact that Pt.2 looks different isn't necessarily worrying, as often print runs had issues from reel to reel, which could have resulted in replacing reels before packing.

Of course, it could be a totally dodgy print made up from all sorts, but the screen shots look ok and the asking price seems fair...the fact that it has rocketed up to nearly £200.00 is in the hands of the bidders.

I wouldn't like to get riiped-off, but I see nothing inherently wrong with this guy's listing.

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Osi Osgood
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I never ran into a single brand new feature from Derann on white and black reels, now something from thier used film list, that would happen often, but not on something brand new.

Come to think of it, I don't think this seller is saying that it's brand new.

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Rob Young.
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No, I don't think he is either; it certainly isn't a first print run as these were in separate 600ft boxes, but it could still be a later run.

Reel 2 had problems right from the beginning. I had to change my first run print reel 2 twice before it was ok back in 1989, so the fact reel 2 is on a different colour spool MAY not be a problem - that certainly looks like original Derann markings on it.

Later prints did suffer from more negative damage, but this print may still be alright and given the original asking price, may still prove to be an enjoyable bargain for someone.

Of course it may be a duffer also...if anyone here wins it, please let us know!

Osi, up until about 10 years ago, I agree Derann prints were supplied on uniform spools, but I've had features since that were supplied lab new on all sorts of different spools.

"The Reptile" springs to mind, lovely new print ordered especially and brand new but supplied 5 x 400ft on all sorts of different spools!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Just coming in on this discussion on spooling, Derann were never
that particular on uniformity regarding their spool colours,some
of you may remember when Derek asked collectors to send in
any spools that were not required so that they could be used again.There was also some erratic spooling with "El Cid" & also
"Fall of the Roman Empire" when first released being sent out
on 600 & 400 spools mixed.Some of my ancient std 8mm features
have the odd spool in.

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Rob Young.
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Pasquale DAlessio
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quote:
That sounds reasonable.
I never really got the whole SW thing

You must believe in "The Force" to understand it!

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Chris Fries
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It just ended at £513 or a little over $800.

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