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David Kilderry
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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posted February 26, 2012 10:11 PM

Is there a Super 8 feature that consistently sells for more than Star Wars?

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Alan Rik
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posted February 27, 2012 01:26 AM

The Rose 400ft. I remember being outbid at the last moment! (Sorry I couldn't resist!)

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Osi Osgood
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posted February 27, 2012 01:21 PM

I really don't think there is, besides, potentially, the other STAR WARS titles, especially "Empire Strikes Back", since it tends to be a little rarer than STAR WARS.

After all, the bar was set rather high with that 1,700 sale a few months back of STAR WARS.

The only other time I have seen really outrageously high bids was for films such as "Freaks" on super 8. I remember the one print of that on ebay, went for a two or three hundred dollars, or more, which was rather high for that B?W super 8 print.

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Alan Rik
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posted February 27, 2012 10:20 PM

I bid on it. It went for around $450. Grrrr!!!

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted February 29, 2012 11:20 AM

Well, here comes another one:
Star Wars Cineavision on eBay

I know we've had more than one discussion here comparing the various Star Wars full-feature releases, but was just surprised to see that nobody's ever entered a review of them into our Super 8 reviews section. May I suggest that to someone, please?

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Osi Osgood
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posted February 29, 2012 01:51 PM

That's one of Fred K. Wilders prints! I recognize the boxes! He would do that for his best prints (place photo's and all that stuff!) I have bought from him in the past!

I don't know if he sold it to someone else or if he has finally taken the plunge to sell on ebay.

That Cineavision print is completely unfaded, which is rare, as I believe that release was on Kodak SP, but it might well be on a low fade stock. Now there's a true rarity, epscially for the STAR WARS crowd. Wish I had the extra money to bid on it.

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Rob Young.
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posted February 29, 2012 03:16 PM

Oh, here we go again!

CINEAVISION???

NO!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted February 29, 2012 06:15 PM

You guys forgot .....? This is Alan Rik, member of rhis forum. He is selling THE ROSE on 1200' reel [Smile]

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Adrian Winchester
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posted February 29, 2012 06:40 PM

Interesting that the price went as high as it did, in my opinion. Something going for a very high price can of course tend to bring out more of the same item, with others hoping to get similar sums. Considering that several copies of SW have sold in several months, it goes to show that some bidders dropping out has not caused prices to drop too much. I bet the seller is delighted.

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Chris Fries
Master Film Handler

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posted February 29, 2012 11:04 PM

I have a copy of the rarest of the rare.

Here it is. "THE ROSE" starring Bette Midler and Alan Bates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFZ7-1lYIoE

As you can see, the color is wonderful and the sound is the most amazing magnetic mono you have ever heard.

The greatest 17 min. of film you will ever see.

It can be yours to enjoy forever for the low, low price of only $500. A true bargain.

There will never be another like it.

Ever.

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Osi Osgood
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posted March 01, 2012 12:48 PM

The seller stated that it is in fact Eastman LPP. Well, that's good to know, and unexpected. At least, it won't fade.

The only downside is that the color doesn't appear to be as rich and saturated as it is on the Derann scope print, but just for rarities sake, it's certainly a nice find.

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Jon Addams
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posted March 06, 2012 07:28 PM

Just ended a $1200 - Nice sale.

Jon

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted March 06, 2012 08:37 PM

Wonderful colour,if you're into blue and purple.This was on Perry's
lists years ago for £8.00 and they still couldn't shift them,now I
know why.God spare us.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 06, 2012 08:49 PM

Hugh what do you mean by £8.00 ?

A digest...? but this is a full feature.

BTW, if you see the screen shots, they are a but purplish and pale.

But if you see the youtube link, the colors are strong and perfect. Do you guys know why?

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Akshay Nanjangud
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posted March 06, 2012 09:18 PM

There was some discussion on getting new prints of a Star Wars feature on the forum sometime back. How much would it cost to get a made-to-order print? Would it exceed $1000?

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Joe Taffis
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posted March 06, 2012 09:18 PM

I think Winbert and Hugh are both confused by THE ROSE vs. STAR WARS connections in this post [Big Grin]

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Alan Rik
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posted March 07, 2012 01:30 AM

Let me answer..let me! [Smile]

I don't like to comment on auctions while they are in progress but now its over.. .
The actual youtube clip was filmed off the wall using my iphone 4s. Not even any flicker! And that is how the print actually looks in person. The other photos were scanned using an Epson V500. Maybe it needs color correction? Not sure why but the iphones colors are truer.
I did like that print and it was hard to decide which print to sell. I have the Derann print and there are definitely more of the Derann prints around than that one.
The content of the prints are the same (and no...the Cinevision print didn't have the 2nd Grappling hook throw at the chasm!) with the exception of the subtitles with Greedo in the Cantina scene, and the opening scrawl which is the original and not the New Hope version. And also the Cinevision print does have cropped sides so you do get a slightly wider view of the film.
The print quality is actually very good but Osi is correct in that the contrast is better on the Derann print in most scenes except for the scene with Obi Wan and Luke in Tattoine where Luke is given the lightsaber. The Cinevision print looks much better than the Derann print and is more defined compared to the Derann print which looks a little more blown out highlights wise.
I re-recorded the sound on the Derann print and I screened both prints one after another. 4 hours of Star Wars! In the end being lazy I decided to keep the Derann print....even though it is the New Hope version so I wouldn't have to re-record the audio again. Because in Stereo with the Elmo Speakers on the side of the screen...I felt like I was a kid again sitting in the darkened theatre watching Luke, Han, and Leia..when all was good with the world. (Except in California where there was a drought and we were not allowed to turn on the sprinklers except for in the mornings and only 3 times a week!)

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Ricky Daniels
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posted March 07, 2012 05:22 AM

Hi Alan,

Congratulations on your sale. Regarding "also the Cinevision print does have cropped sides so you do get a slightly wider view" just one correction, sorry I can't help myself being a Telecine Colourist!

There is no cropping to the sides on the CineaVision style print, what you see in the Super 8mm frame is the FULL 2.35:1 Panavision original and what you get is a slightly 'taller' view i.e. more of the original top and bottom of frame. However, there is cropping to the top and bottom of the Derann 2.66:1 print i.e. the 2.35:1 original fits the Super 8mm frame width showing the original full frame width (as does the CineaVision style print) but as a consequence the top and bottom of the original 2.35:1 are lost, but I'm sure you already know this.

Making a choice between the two styles of print is a hard one I agree, so hard in fact I can't be without a copy both in my collection... why I don't know, maybe it's a 'new' illness [Big Grin]

Enjoy,
Rick

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted March 07, 2012 06:21 AM

No Joe,Winbert and I aren't confused,I was responding to the comment Chris made regarding the quality etc on the "Rose"
clip he'd put on you tube about the print quality being great
which I didn't think it was.Mind you,it is difficult to see the words
for the $ signs.

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Martin Davey
Film Handler

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posted March 07, 2012 07:09 AM

I must admit that I much prefer the 'cinevision' format for 'scope films. It would have been nice if derann had gone down that route but I suppose it means making another inter negative/ optical printer stage to get the master material that way, which I'm sure was quite expensive.
It was just always annoying, when running trailers in particular, that the type in the image would sometimes be cut off top and bottom on the more conventional 'scope print. But maybe using scope lenses in conjunction with S8 was a step too far overall considering the technical limitations of the format, a 4x3 image just always seems tidier and sharper to me!

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Alan Rik
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posted March 07, 2012 07:36 AM

Hi Ricky,
Yes you are correct! That is what I meant.
I would have loved to have both but I made the reserve high maybe "hoping" It wouldn't sell and then I would be forced to keep the print! But the "Force" was too strong with this one. [Smile]

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Chris Fries
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posted March 07, 2012 10:33 AM

And now, a wonderful quote...

from "Young Frankenstein".

Frederick: What's the matter with you people? I was joking! Don't you know a joke when you hear one?

[Big Grin]

But seriously, congrats Alan.

We can debate about ratios and colors and all, but at the end of the day it is still a beautiful print. If I could afford it, I would be so happy to have this film in my library. This and a Derann print. This, a Derann print, Empire and Jedi.

I can dream, can't I?

[Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 07, 2012 10:56 AM

Chris,...nothing is impossible.

I started my super 8mm collection back in 1985 when my father brought home a projector (Sankyo 501) to Indonesia. I was so amazed and started buying films from local flea markets. I learned about Derann wonderful prints in 1996 when I was assigned to Australia for studying.

Being from a developing country and the limited budget I had, it was far from my imagination to have these Derann prints, so I could only buy the usual prints.

But there is a time when finally I have several Derann prints in my collection (that include Star Wars) by re-selling all multiple copies I had (both films and vinyls), that I could get extra money. Basically I did not need to spend so much money to fill my hobby.

So, patience and perseverance are the two words in my life of collecting.

cheers,

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted March 07, 2012 02:09 PM

Winbert, thats lovely and we want to hear of those prints you
parted with and probably would like again,so get on the link and
let us know.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted March 07, 2012 04:02 PM

Hugh, most of my revenue came from vinyls. Selling films only for those I have double in my collection.

Vinyls are so scarce in Indonesia, while as a government official I have more chance to travel abroad. So when returned home I brought vinyls that I bought only $1-2 from western country flea markets. It could be re-sold 10 to 30 times from the original prices.

I have my own place to sell vinyls:

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=6129107

It is in Indonesian of course.

Those vinyls fund my film collecting hobby [Wink]

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