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Osi Osgood
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- posted March 19, 2012 01:06 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320871515112

I think I have that link correct. Yep, it's expensive, but it's also darned rare, and my wife and I certainly are not going to screw ourselves out of a rarity like this!

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 19, 2012 01:47 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Osi,

At that price I reckon you'll need some shots up there.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted March 19, 2012 02:10 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Osi, didn't you post that your friend was looking for this very print. Why don't you just ask him to buy it.

Congratulation for your first URL link....! [Big Grin] Copy and paste ...easy euh?!

BTW, this would be your tough competitor:

16mm feature film EMPIRE STRIKES BACK LPP Star Wars

cheers,

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Larry Arpin
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- posted March 19, 2012 02:25 PM      Profile for Larry Arpin   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Arpin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Recent flat version of Return of the Jedi went for almost $1000:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2c63bc34d8&item=190651839704&nma=true&pt=US_Film&rt=nc&si=ppwUwXha9FcdLSQZcnpj2gG488o%253D&orig_cvip=true &rt=nc

That Empire is also flat. Osi's is Scope.

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Bill Brandenstein
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- posted March 20, 2012 01:04 AM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So Osi, I presume you prefer the Derann print even with the top/bottom cropping?

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Alan Rik
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- posted March 20, 2012 01:51 AM      Profile for Alan Rik   Email Alan Rik   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I did with the Star Wars prints. I knew the significance of the earlier mono print and its rarity. But when I saw them side by side (not at the same time of course) I felt the difference was pretty remarkable. When watching the Derann print I felt like I was watching Star Wars as I remember it as a kid. But when I saw the Cinevision print I knew I was watching a Super 8 film if that makes sense. It reminded me of the little viewers that you hand cranked and held up to the light to watch Star Wars. They were loaded with probably 25 ft of Super 8 film if that.
But the print of Empire at that price seems very reasonable. I NEVER see Empire for sale. Its tempting to bid but I'm holding out for Raiders of the Lost Ark. Or Rocky III. Hint hint....!

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Akshay Nanjangud
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- posted March 20, 2012 01:05 PM      Profile for Akshay Nanjangud   Email Akshay Nanjangud   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The 16mm print sold for over $2000. Someone please please correct me here but isn't getting a new print going to be in the same price range?

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Osi Osgood
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Haha! Sorry Rik, but still gonna hold onto to Rocky 3. It's on LPP, by the way (Rocky 3).

The fellow who was originally going to buy "Empire" had to back out, and so, due to financial situations, I have to part with it. I only hope that it will garner a nice price tag. 1,200.00 is the least we'd want to let go of it for, but we would certainly like to see it go up. I'm really not paying attention to all the "views" and "watches" on this one, as they are probably fellow forum members just curious to see if it sells.

I must say, I do like the image quality of Empire. One thing I didn't mention on the auction I'll add here. There is slight wear at the ends of the original reel changes, but it is not too bad.

I would LOVE to put up screenshots, and I will try to do a few tonight, but my damned digital camera NEVER represents the actual color well, and I certainly don't want to see this print short, as it does have very nice color.

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Jon Addams
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I don’t like auctions with RESERVE, but sometimes it the way to go, especially when it’s known there is a tremendous amount of interest in an item such as this one. It’s a nice way to get a bidders war on it and who know how high it could climb.

True, there are many that won’t even bid on a reserve auction BUT so are that those that will not bid on an item with such a high starting bid.

I believe an auction such as this may fair better with a low, say $9.99, starting bid and a reserve of $1200.00 which is the lowest amount the seller is seeking.

You can almost bet on lots of bidders in such a scenario with the print selling for $1200 or higher or not selling at all, is the reserve isn’t met.

This is just my couple of pennies worth of unsolicited advice. [Wink] [Wink]

Jon

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Osi Osgood
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- posted March 20, 2012 01:52 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ahh yes Jon ...

but I have seen very valuable items started at a rediculously low starting bid and just because of the variables that life brings, only one person will bid on it. In fact, I have even see a few STAR WARS features in past years go like that, (but not 9.95!).

The seller just has to protect themselves. I personally think Reserve prices tend to work against you. They've worked against me.

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Greg Marshall
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- posted March 20, 2012 01:54 PM      Profile for Greg Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tongue hanging out here.

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Jon Addams
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quote:
The seller just has to protect themselves. I personally think Reserve prices tend to work against you. They've worked against me.
As I said, I don't like reserves either but the seller never gets hurt using one because if the item doesn't bring the reserve price, there are no winners, even if the final price is 1 penny less than the reserve price.

Of course the item can be relisted, if not sold, or you would have a choice to sell it to the biddeer that came 1 penny under the reserve.

As I said earlier, the seller never loses in a reserve auction other than the listing fee.

In any event, good luck with the auction.

Jon

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Winbert Hutahaean
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quote:
The 16mm print sold for over $2000. Someone please please correct me here but isn't getting a new print going to be in the same price range?
No... we are talking a legal print here, do you think George Lucas will let you re-print it on 16mm for $2000.....nope!

Just to say you have enough money to re-print, the questions are:

1. Who has the negative now?
2. Which lab is willing to take the risk?

So the only way is to locate it at second market.

cheers,

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Akshay Nanjangud
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- posted March 20, 2012 04:47 PM      Profile for Akshay Nanjangud   Email Akshay Nanjangud   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, Winbert. So, we need to find someone who has the negatives and has legal permission to print the feature. Okay.

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Osi Osgood
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- posted March 21, 2012 01:09 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Jon!

Actually I think it can huert an auction to have a reserve price. The reason why I can say that is because I have been turned off from bidding on some auctions because of a reserve price. I'll bid on something I want, it won't meet the reserve.

Bid on it again.

... nope, haven'r reached the reserve price. So then I'll say, "Well, hell, it must be unrealistically high. I quit!"

... and I'm sure that I'm not the only person who has felt that way. So yes, I believe at times, a reserve price can screw your auction.

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Rob Young.
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- posted March 26, 2012 09:55 AM      Profile for Rob Young.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
About 3 hours left, Osi!

I'm excited for you! [Smile]

Wish I could afford it! [Frown]

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Osi Osgood
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I relisted it, though I know it's only a matter of time before it sells. I'm patient.

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Jim Schrader
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- posted March 28, 2012 01:29 PM      Profile for Jim Schrader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
a super 8 digest print just sold for 100.00 this is crazy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150782875790?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted March 28, 2012 01:40 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Osi,

I may be wrong, but my feeling is that NOBODY is going to consider spending this much money on a print without seeing some screenshots from the print.

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John Skujins
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Wow that is crazy, Jim. $100.00 for a part one digest that is described as reddening! Some bidder had an inaccurate perception of its rarity, for sure. Those red part ones come up pretty often on ebay.

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James N. Savage 3
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Yes Michael, I'd have to agree about the screen shots. They are usually posted for even the smallest films, and for the price on this one, I believe you will need something. A photo of the box and / or reels, at the very least.

James.

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Osi Osgood
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I'm thinking that too. I'm just wanting to figure out HOW to get my digital camera to take screenshots without "browning out" everything that I shoot, as I don't want to mis-represent this beautiful print! It's frustrating!!

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Janice Glesser
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Osi...Project it onto a white piece of paper. Turn off your flash or cover it with tape. If that doesn't work...use your camcorder or the video feature on your camera...shoot a few minutes. Capture the footage into your computer and then do screen captures. These should be good enough for EBay.

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Michael O'Regan
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My Blackberry grabs excellent shots - more than good enough for ebay. You don't need a fancy camera. If the print is good it'll look fine.
You only need to worry if it's faded or something.

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Graham Sinden
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Osi,

I totally agree with michael about screenshots. But I have to say I think the bigger problem is that its on SP and because of this its way overpriced, im sorry to say. I certaintly would never pay this much for a film on SP no matter how rare. It may have very good colour but the chances are it will fade in the future, and my own experience with SP is the blacks start to go first and turn reddish.

I hope you get a good price but the fact its not on LPP may put off many collectors.

Graham S

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