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Mark Mander
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 - posted July 28, 2012 12:49 PM      Profile for Mark Mander     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree Michael,All that will happen on this forum is people won't post there "for sale" items,It's happened already with a few people on here and some quite large lists are not being offered anymore as a result, Mark.

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Michael O'Regan
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 - posted July 28, 2012 01:13 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe Balitzki said:
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On another Forum which shall remain nameless, sellers have been removed and blocked for such behavior.
Not after just 4 days they haven't!!

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Stefano Cacciagrano
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 - posted July 28, 2012 02:19 PM      Profile for Stefano Cacciagrano   Email Stefano Cacciagrano   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
post edited with prices. sorry for delay and thanks to all!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted July 28, 2012 03:08 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I too don't see Stefano made a problem. He just posted somebody's else item by referring us to contact the seller directly. If the said seller did not reply you, simply thinking that it was sold and you were not the lucky one.

I too sent an email to the seller and as Pat, did not get a reply. But I don't need to be rush. Films can be anywhere. Man does not live by films alone.

This post goes wrong only because Joe (most likely) thought Stefano was the seller and said the above postings. If he carefully read the post we all know he only passed the information.

Btw if the Goldeneye is not mistyped for the price, No matter it is 1 splice or 10 splices. It is 007.... [Smile]

I TAKE IT !

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Stefano isn't the seller Michael, he's merely the go between, and
that is where the anomaly lies, why can't the seller advertise
himself,and save a lot of problems,even if he has to join the forum.
Myself, if I place an ad,I check e-mails, and reply and above all keep people informed.This attitude that some sellers adopt of
"well theres no rush" does kind of grate,especially when they want the positive "feedback" I think is the buzzword.If theres no rush,
then send the film,and we'll sort a price later,we'd see a change
in attitude then no doubt.

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Joe Balitzki
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 - posted July 28, 2012 03:18 PM      Profile for Joe Balitzki   Email Joe Balitzki   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Re: the other Forum - it depends on the seller. Usually within 24 Hrs. of a posting of a list in violation of its rules the post is deleted with a explanation as to why. Then they are told to re-list according to the guidelines. Having their post deleted quickly gets their attention. While rare, there have been instances where banning or blocking was done quickly.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Just a point,nobody,especially Winbert seems to be interested in what kind of filmstock these films are printed on.Why's that?

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Joe Balitzki
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@Winbert: Hey! Don't shoot the messenger! I was posting in response to Pat Ds post. It was a blanket statement. I am not one of the potential buyers who made an inquiry. There are many people on the different Forums who are wonderful to deal with. Sure, people have a life but failing to respond to several inquiries just breeds ill will. If you aren't going to list with prices, then you don't do it! And naturally, a new list is going to generate inquiries so if you can't be bothered to set aside the time to reply then don't do it! Its just common courtesy and good business. And most people check their e-mail daily if not several times daily unless there is a family emergency or illness. I understood the content of the postings very clearly. And this Rush nonsense! Anyone knows that shipments from overseas take time. When you walk into a store you expect to see the prices posted. If a item is out of stock, you expect to be told so. Sure, you can assume that a film has been sold if you don't hear from the seller. But really now, how long does it take to reply to a inquiry?

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Mark Mander
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Hugh,
perhaps the seller doesn't speak English as i would guess he's Italian being a friend of Stefano,Mark.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Hugh, not everyone is interested joining the forum. The resons can be various starting from the unavailability of the internet, and the most common one is language barrier. Most Germany and Italian collectors don't join here because of that reason.

On the other hand, I too see latey many members joining this forum actually have been in the hobby for years, although they can speak English. So there must be many resons.

Therefore, this seller one of these guys and so asking Stefano who is a member to do on his behalf.

Joe have you ever been flooded with many emails at the same time? i do for another business. It is too hard to answer all emails if the item is no longer available. But the most important to know that in this kind of situation sometime email server filter the certain emails by putting to junk folder resulting the seller did not read it. Maybe because the server curios that his email is attacke by spammers.

So there many reasons that should calm us down. It is ONLY films.

Joe,.... You go to 16mm sales section and there is very similar situation there between Moussa (non member), Leon (member) and Mike W (member). That is even worse now. Be a messanger there, give your advocate.

Here is still very light situation.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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That's a good point Joe,and just to pick Winbert up on "man does
not live by films alone",that is very true Winbert,but then I don't
carry records of them on mobile phone,to remain in touch with them.What I do expect,is that when an email is sent with an
enquiry to purchase,a speedy THAT DAY reply to be sent,it's
not as though the postal systems are involved at this stage.After
all this is the digital age.If I as a potential buyer,must be slotted
in sometime when it suits the seller,then I would rather do without and spend my coins somewhere else.The purchaser too has an outside life.

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Joe Balitzki
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All valid points and a most interesting thread to be sure. Yes, I have had a full inbox. So I type a response, copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into the reply of each inquiry till all have been answered. And no, I am not going to play Devil's Advocate on the 16mm thread. I'd rather watch a film [Smile]

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Michael O'Regan
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 - posted July 28, 2012 04:28 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Listen, chaps. The list was posted FOUR DAYS ago and you're attacking the guy for non-response???
You can try to rationalise this any way you like - it'll still be nothing more than over-reaction.

There's more to life than the tiny group of people on these forums.

Hugh:
quote:
What I do expect,is that when an email is sent with an
enquiry to purchase,a speedy THAT DAY reply to be sent...

- I would suggest you're in the wrong hobby. Many sellers are from an older generation who do NOT check their email every day.

You're suggesting that anyone who has a list of films to sell should arrange to leave everyday commitments behind for the few days following posting his or her list, in order to be able to deal with responding to emails?
That ain't real life, sir.

quote:
The purchaser too has an outside life.
Then, the purchaser should get on with his or her outside life, and not let it revolve around the purchase of a film print and whether or not they receive an immediate reply from a seller.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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I think on the 16mm thread Joe,the misunderstanding could be
resolved as it turns out Leon has been very ill,which accounts
for his disappearance suddenly from the forum,and I'm sure we all wish him well.That is a valid point that Mark and Winbert make
on the language barrier.Strange though that Stefano hasn't been asked about acetate,estar,what number stock it is etc Why?

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Joe Balitzki
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@Michael: Quite right! But this is what we talk about when we are having a High Tea! You will excuse me now while I prepare some Bird's Custard... YUM! Now don't get your knickers in a twist; I am quite fond of our fellow UK collectors! [Smile] And Hugh's wife makes delightful finger sandwiches for a High Tea! [Smile] Hugh, is the projector threaded and focused? Because the teapot is about empty!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Michael,are you saying that the older collectors don't know
how to display the simple courtesy of a reply,I suggest that you
haven't dealt with that many older collectors sir,the older
collectors that I have dealt with in my time,had the item in the post that day sir.Don't try and make excuses for bad manners
and I think some of the older collectors on this forum would take umbridge at the suggestion that they aren't on the ball.Some
of us do treat people with respect,especially a prospective
purchaser.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted July 28, 2012 09:09 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stefano was kind enough to post the list, and the seller (Alessandro) should have been prepared to deal with responses in a timely manner. Not necessarily within a 24 hour period, however to keep a prospective buyer waiting for over three days is too long.

But to respond with threats and insults is unacceptable. Let's drop the vitriol.

Doug

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Pasquale DAlessio
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 - posted July 28, 2012 10:51 PM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Vitgriol? What's that a new multi-vitamin? Or a substitute for viagra? [Confused]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted July 29, 2012 12:20 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hugh, if it is a print from CHC or (later) Derann, no one bothered to ask the stock as they are known mostly to be in good quality

Joe, not everyone is a computer savy, and not all people thinking to use clipboard or notepad to draft an email. In fact, I believe 99% from us writing a post in this forum or replying email direct on the net.

I know computer so if I were you I even had more sophisticated way in dealing this email floods by setting up an email selling address (i.e an email used only to sell something) separated with my daily email. When my item is no longer available, i just make an automated reply saying "sorry the item is no longer available". So whoever send a querry about the item after it is sold will receive the same reply.

(this somekind an automated reply mostly used to say "sorry I am not at the office but if you are in emergency please email xxxx@xxxx.com).

So no need to use clipboard and send many times.

But my point is not there, but more inviting members here to understand that beside being lazy to reply, there are many conditions that can avoid a seller to give quick reply to all querries, as follows:

1. First and foremost, he does not have an internet connection or even more does not bother to have a computer. Do not expect all people are interested with technology.

2. He has a computer an internet connection but it is on slow internet connection, so only replying based on the most priority email.

3. His email server (provider) is the one slow to upload (e.g hotmail), although he has fast bandwidth but still get slow because of the email server.

4. He use internet only through cellphone or in roaming area. So replying "sorry it is sold" will cost him money. Peolple live in rural area must deal with this or use VSAT if he/she has more money for speedy connection.

5. He does not speak English at all, so must use more brain to reply (I'am not an English speaker so understand how is this problem). Remember not everyone in this earth can speak English.

6. Some emails, include yours, go to junk folder so he is not knowing your email, hence no reply

7. (again I should state this) Item is sold. Ask yourself if you put a hot item on Craiglist or Kijiji and the item is of interest hundreds people. You got a hundred emails while the item has been taken on day one. Will you bother to reply the other 99 emails? If the answer YES then you are a good seller but again there are 6 other reasons above that you need have to underatand. If the answer is NO then you are the same person like me, i.e a good seller but has another important job to do outside this hobby PLUS you understand at least there are 7 reasons why a seller did not reply your email [Smile]

Have a good day, and I have a public outdoor screening tommorow. A report will be posted with photos.

Cheers,

[ July 29, 2012, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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I personally think the whole thread is quite... funny. [Wink]

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Mark Mander
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Me Too!! [Big Grin]

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Michael O'Regan
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quote:
and I think some of the older collectors on this forum would take umbridge at the suggestion that they aren't on the ball.
Oh, take "umbridge"(!) my ass!!!

Go read my post again and show where I stated anything other than that older collectors may not read their email every day.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Michael,if people are selling an item,end of story,there is no excuse
for keeping people on a string.All these excuses that Winbert and yourself are
coming with,are cover ups for lazyness.Ebay,for all it's rules and
regulations make the seller do what all the good sellers have been
doing for years.Respond.

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Mark Williams
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Lol!!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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"Lots of love" Mark,....... and we haven't been introduced!

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