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Topic: Dark Star & Purple Rose of Cairo - missing footage
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Osi Osgood
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posted June 19, 2017 11:25 AM
I have "Purple", a lovely and bittersweet film, especially the ending.
To answer the question, those who produced super 8 optical sound prints, used whatever was the cheapest film stock available, and once L.P.P. came out, I'm sure that Kodak SP (which is what "Purple" was printed on, as the prints I have seen in general, are going brown), became a cheaper film stock to buy for a film purpose that was only slated to last a few months, originally.
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Osi Osgood
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posted June 21, 2017 11:52 AM
True Bill, and it can be deucibly hard to figure out film stocks on super 8 optical sound prints, mostly due to the dark purplish/black edge to the sprocket area, which came about, i believe, in the late 70's, but pre 79 or so prints are easy to identify the stock. Usually either Kodak SP, eastman, (non L.P.P.) or, in the more cases, FUJI. The Fuji prints from the late 70's STILL look great, (as my "Hooper" print attests too).
One thing I must confess that i have never seen, is an AGFA print on super 8 optical sound.
I have often wondered, however, what film stocks were used by some conmpany in the early days of super 8 optical sound features ... as I have both "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" and "Snoopy Come Home" (69 and 72), and both of these are as brilliant color as the day they were printed, but in both cases, no marking as to what the film stock was, and the sprocket area is clean on both print, no black stripe of color, there's just no markings.
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Osi Osgood
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posted June 22, 2017 11:30 AM
I get the feeling that "Cinema Center Films' (which was the distributor for John Waynes, "Batjac' film productions as well), insisted on low fade stock of some kind, and think this might be why there is a print or two of "El Dorado' that is rumored to be an actual Technicolor super 8 print.
It makes me wonder if these two peanuts films are technicolor prints? Unfortunately, unless some actual info from the technicolor company comes out with a list of technicolot super 8 prints that were struck, we'll never know.
... But the peanuts features were also releases by "Cinema Center Films" and from what i have observed, all the Cinema Center film releases on super 8, have been low fade prints.
One of those curiosities that I can wonder about, but probably never know for an absolute fact.
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Osi Osgood
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posted June 27, 2017 12:15 PM
good question ...
Especially in the early days of Super 8 optical sound features, unless the feature was part of a library of films (as they did in South Africa), the early optical sound features were released on super 8 as they were released theatrically.
There were the odd re-releases however. An example of this was the Frank Sinatra/Steve McQueen war film 'Never So few". This was originally released in 1959. I looked up info on this film and it was in fact, re-released in the late 60's, no doubt to cash in on Steve McQueen's big box office draw power, (as Frankie's draw power was already in it's "waning"), and so it became available as an early super 8 optical sound feature.
MGM re-released a number of they're classics as well. "Showboat" was a super 8 optical sound feature, for instance, as was "African Queen" (which i saw on CHC's list so many years ago).
But as a general rule, out in circulation theatically, out on super 8 optical sound. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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