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Author Topic: Kowa 8z, Elmoscope II, Elmo 1.0 and more
Jason Smith
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From: Tohoku, Japan
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 - posted October 28, 2016 09:45 AM      Profile for Jason Smith     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have the following lenses for sale, trade for film, or OBO.
The prices do not include shipping. Shipping would be from Japan. Payment by Paypal(friend/family preferred or buyer pays fees).

I plan on being in the USA from October 11th, so any lens could be shipped from the USA or bought from me in person at Cinesea.

The Elmo long throw lens is a great lens to have if your projector is far away from your screen or if you have a scope image that is too large for your screen.

Elmoscope II Anamorphic lens $400
(Rebadged Kowa 8Z lens)

Kowa 8Z Anamorphic lens $350
(there are a small thin line of bubbles inside the lens,I believe its fungus but I'm not sure. I've used the lens for showing scope features and did not notice any degradation in the quality of the picture.

Elmo 12.5-30 f1.0 $275(best lens to use on an Elmo SUper 8 projector) SOLD Off-site

Elmo 25-50 1.2 $̶1̶5̶0̶ $100
(The inside of the front element of lens and inner lens element is hazy. It looks like it's fungus.

Elmo 25-50 1.4 $̶1̶0̶0̶ $̶9̶0̶ $75
(Original storage case, lens in very good condition)

Elmo 25-50 1.4 $̶1̶0̶0̶ $̶9̶0̶ $75
(Lens in very good condition)

Elmo 25-50 1.4 $90 SOLD
(Original box, storage case, very good condition)

Elmo 12.5-30 1.0 $175 SOLD
(Inside of front lens element is hazy. It looks like it's fungus.)

Pictures can be emailed upon request.
I'm open to any reasonable offers.

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Jason Smith
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Price drop.Shipping from within USA is available first week of May.

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Jason Smith
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Price dropped down to $90 and new lens added for $100 that has original box and hard case..

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Jason Smith
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Updated the original post and added some new lenses and some price drops.

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Steve Klare
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-morning, Jason!

I'd like this one:

Elmo 25-50 1.4 $90
(Original box, storage case, very good condition)

-and you won't need to ship it!

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All I ask is a wide screen and a projector to light her by...

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Stuart Reid
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 - posted October 03, 2017 04:09 PM      Profile for Stuart Reid   Email Stuart Reid   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jason, any prints in particular you'd like to trade for the Kowa 8z?

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Jason Smith
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Steve, I'll bring it with me to Cinesea. Thanks!

Stuart,Here are a few things I'm interested in.

Derann releases
Any films educational, documentary, concerning Japan in Super 8 or 16mm
Hitchcock
SciFi
Trailers
Cartoons
16mm features
IB Tech Cartoons/Features
16mm TV shows/commercials

Send me a PM and let me know if there is anything you might be willing to part with even if it is not listed above.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Go for it Stuart!

After further evidence from viewing this evening, I am entirely convinced more than ever now that this scope lens must be among one of the very very best you could ever place in front of your Beaulieu! [Wink]

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Stuart Reid
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Too true Andy, but as far as I can see my model doesn't have a flash sync socket so I'm stumped as to how to mount it cleanly. I've got a standalone lens stand which I'm using with a Sankor but it's an inelegant solution, plus due to the Beaulieu design I can't get the lens close enough without fouling the roller or nudging against the inching knob.

Jason, you have a PM.

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Kevin Clark
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Sadly Stuart none of the earlier Beaulieus had 'scope lens bracket shoes fitted - as you have tried a stand alone mount perhaps this will not be ideal but I do have a genuine Widescreen Centre mount which is heavier with a longer lens holding arm I am sure could be mounted to the front side of the projector without getting in the way of the rollers or controls. I am happy to send it to you to try out first.

Kevin

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Stuart Reid
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That's kind of you Kev, but I've sorted a solution. I just have to zoom down the image a wee bit which allows me to have the scope lens a little further in front of the machine. That seems to sort the problem out.

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Del Phillipson
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Hi Kevin, sent you a PM, Del.

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Kevin Clark
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No problem Stu great to hear you have found a 'scope lens mount solution - Del I've PM'd you back and posted the package!

Jason - please accept my apologies for taking your thread off topic a bit - you have some excellent lenses for sale there at really reasonable prices and hopefully some 8mm (and 16mm) forum members will buy them soon.

Kevin.

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Jason Smith
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No problem Kevin. I really would prefer to sell them directly to members of this forum rather than list them on eBay. Hopefully I will find a buyer on here.

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Jon Foy
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Hi Jason,

I'd be interested in buying your Elmo ii and/or Kowa 8z (shipping to the US). Are they available?

Thanks,
Jon

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Jason Smith
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Hi Jon,

I have someone interested in the Kowa 8z but the Elmoscope II is still available.

However, I feel as if you just joined the forum just to buy the lenses to use for Anamorphic shooting and not projection. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I realize I could sale these lenses for much more on eBay but I wanted to make these lenses available at a lower price to those who would use them for 8mm or 16mm projection and to someone who is a contributor to this forum.

If I am unable to find a buyer on here, I may be in contact with you.

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Jon Foy
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Thanks Jason.

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Phil Murat
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Hello Jason,

Have you any documentation concerning "possible" Servicing for ELMO lenses ?

I need to remove front part from a 1.0 lens. It seems Front barel is a 2 parts assembly, however impossible to untighten front ring with fingers only.
I would like to take special cares to do it.
Do you think it is possible rings are assembled with something like soft "Loctite"?
Do I need , as prerequisite, to manage 2 special "soft" gripping tools to allow disassembly of front barrel ?

Thanks in advance

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Kevin Clark
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Hello Phil

To open up the Elmo F1.0 lens first you need to remove the rubber from around the lens barrel - simply lift one edge of it with a toothpick or similar then work it around until fully removed.

Then apply isopropyl alcohol to the edge of the lens ring inside and out - make sure it literally drips into the ring so it softens the fixing glue applied by Elmo during manufacture.

Leave for a few hours - then apply masking tape around the barrel to give you more grip - hold tight and twist and it will loosen - no clamps or vices needed.

Hope this helps - I will try and upload some photos soon as I have an F1.0 to strip down here when I get the time.

Kevin.

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Jason Smith
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Thanks Kevin for that advice. I attempted in the past once to take apart one of my lenses but gave up.

My Kowa 8Z and Elmoscope II are still available but with stipulations. I only want to sell these lenses to someone who is going to use these for Super 8 or 16mm projection. I also do not want to sell these to someone who is immediately going to resell them.

I'm willing to trade these for Super 8mm,16mm,and 35mm film.

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Phil Murat
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Thanks Kevin for these informations.

Do you confirm Alcool Isoprpilic has no effect on lenses and coatings ?

So , I understand it is necessary to immerse lens assembly in vertical position, front lens downward, correct ?

Is it necessary to immerse lens in liquid up to 2 cm level around ?

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Kevin Clark
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Hello Phil

I will add photos when I get home late tonight - about 10pm UK time.

The Elmo F1.0 uses all glass optical elements so IPA is fine to loosen the barrel seal - however do not use IPA on plastic element lenses as it may distort and damage them.

I have dismantled and cleaned about 20 Elmo F1.0 lenses this way with no problems at all - I would not have recommended this method otherwise.

You don't need to submerge the lens just use a cotton swab to soak the barrel edges with IPA and it will enter the seal via capillary action - please wait until my 'photos are added tonight.

Kevin.

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Phil Murat
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Hi Kevin,

Thanks for these additionnal insformations that I take in account as a lens is a very sensible item.

I am away a few days. When I am back I see your pictures.

Thanks in advance.

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Kevin Clark
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OK - here are the Elmo 'strip down' pictures with basic instructions:

1. Lift rubber outer ring and remove using wooden cocktail stick or similar to prevent scratching the barrel paint:

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2. Lens with rubber outer ring removed:

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3. Soak a cotton bud (NOT the lens itself) in IPA alcohol and run this around the full circumference of the lens barrel seal area as shown - really soak this as it will then enter the seal via capillary action:

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4. Wait a few hours for the original seal to soften - dry off and tape up using Frog tape or similar easy to remove masking tape - this will give you better grip when unscrewing the lens cowling:

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5: Once unscrewed the front element can easily be removed giving access to clean it and the first of the inner 'zoom' elements:

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6: If the inner zoom elements are also foggy then apply IPA again in the area shown, wait another few hours for this inner seal to soften, then use an adjustable lens wrench to unscrew the inner ring - this is a more advanced area and I would not recommend anyone dismantling this section without great care as it is easy to remove the elements and damage them if replaced in the wrong order:

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Hopefully at least removing and cleaning the front element will help - I use Calocoat lens cleaner for coated lenses - others will recommend distilled water (ie: for irons or car batteries) or even tap water with a few drops of washing up liquid to soften it slightly.

If there is evidence of fungus I use Ponds cold cream left on the lens overnight to soften and sometimes (not always) remove fungus ingress.

Happy lens cleaning!

Kevin.

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Alan Rik
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"Wooden cocktail stick" -you don't call them "toothpicks"? Just curious!

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