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Ernie Zahn
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posted August 20, 2013 11:36 AM

Adam, no rush but I heard you got a cop of the German lab print recently? Would love a review of this!

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 20, 2013 01:47 PM

I would be happy to post a review. I can get some screen shots as well. Give me a few days as its a very busy time of year for me.

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Ernie Zahn
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posted August 20, 2013 02:04 PM

No problem! Thanks!

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Pete Richards
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posted August 20, 2013 10:43 PM

So excited for this one!

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Larry Arpin
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posted August 21, 2013 01:48 AM

Here is one:

Quality is great. A must have for Star Wars fans. I had the sound re-recorded by Lance and it is awesome. It is late I can post more later.

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 21, 2013 12:15 PM

Here are some screen shots. Not much point in writing up a review because they would say the same things thats already been said. So here is a link to a good review that says it all.

http://www.bfcc.biz/empire.html

More Screen shots to come. They only let me post 8 at a time...

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 21, 2013 01:01 PM

I bought that same German print and I was absolutely astounded at just how sharp and excellent the color quality is on this release. It really is a pleasure to screen!

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 21, 2013 01:02 PM

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Ernie Zahn
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posted August 21, 2013 02:47 PM

Thanks! Just one question, there are no German subtitles burned in right? I notice it has the German titles at the beginning.

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 21, 2013 03:15 PM

No German Subtitles.

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted August 21, 2013 04:36 PM

Looking very nice. This is the print that Osborne still can deliver? Is it the 1980 version or Special Edition 96/97 version?

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 21, 2013 04:50 PM

1980 version. More pics...

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 21, 2013 10:02 PM

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Pete Richards
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posted August 21, 2013 11:25 PM

Okay, now I really want this [Smile]

Is it available direct from Germany? I would actually prefer it with German audio.

How does the grain and colour and overall quality compare to the Derran Star Wars print for example?

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Ernie Zahn
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posted August 22, 2013 08:10 AM

It's certainly available through The Reel Image. For Europe though, perhaps CHC?

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted August 22, 2013 08:41 AM

I do believe Steve Osborne was a bit cheaper than CHC when I ordered Raiders of the Lost Ark. I asked about this and Empire at that time. And whomever did the re-recording, did a nice job.

Hmmm ... Maybe I need to get this on my list of to buys, even if I do get an Empire in bigger format, as that's the SE and I do love the old ones the most

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 22, 2013 12:34 PM

Magnificent screenshots! Is there anyway that you can e-mail me those screenshots?

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Adam Deierling
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posted August 22, 2013 12:43 PM

Email Sent, Osi!

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted August 22, 2013 12:49 PM

You can also right click on the image and save as :-)

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 22, 2013 01:08 PM

WOW! That was quick Adam! Muchas Gracias!

One of the things that I was very impressed with was the color and image quality in the asteroid sequence. I remember on the digest that the print they used was already a little off color, (giving the whole sequence a brownish quality), they did correct this some on the later last run that was LPP, but it just looks smashing on this print!! AND, in scope!!!

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Pete Richards
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posted September 16, 2013 08:23 PM

Could someone email me some larger images? I'm trying to convince myself and need some help [Smile]

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Osi Osgood
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posted September 17, 2013 12:37 PM

Pete, write Adam an e-mail or PM. Perhaps he'll help you out.
[Smile]

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Adrian Winchester
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posted September 17, 2013 08:26 PM

Adam - I wondered if this is acetate or polyester? If it's acetate, I'm very impressed that they have managed such nice bright reds, as well as the other strong colours.

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Pete Richards
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posted September 17, 2013 08:35 PM

It is acetate. Adam sent me the pics and details. Thanks again!

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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posted November 29, 2014 05:04 PM

Today I watched first time the full lenght Empire strikes back german release.
The screening was in a very nice home theater of a friend, he run it on two Elmo GS1200 with two blade shutter, 250W bulb with 1.0 lens and the sound came synchronic from a special tape. It was Dolby Stereo.
What a great sound, much better than direct from the sound stripes of a print.
I would say the print quality is good like the Derann print of Star Wars with only exception that the used master was not perfect, because one reel or maybe two reels must be faded (at the end, but before the fight between Luke and Darth Vader), but the rest of the feature has great color.
I had in the past a 16mm flat original LPP print and still I own a 35mm print and this is on Fuji stock. I noticed that the color is a little bit different between the 16mm LPP and the 35mm Fuji prints. The color of a LPP print looks more cold at the Hoth scenes. More blue, but not a blue like a bad S8 print, it is a nice blue. My 35mm Fuji print has still very good color, but the Hoth scene looks slightly warm, so I think the used master for the Super 8 release must be also a Fuji print and the color was on the one or two reels bad (faded, brownish), fortunately not in my print.

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