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Steven J Kirk
Jedi Master Film Handler

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posted December 02, 2009 08:51 AM

One of the few ways to get a brand new 16mm projector would be the Kinoton FP 38 E. Details on the Kinoton website. I was wondering if any members had experience of one of these, either professionally or in private use? Obviously it would be highly expensive but would give 16 and 35mm in a compact space. The smallest xenon offered is 1000w but perhaps even smaller could be used.

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Claus Harding
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posted December 02, 2009 10:06 AM

http://my.kinoton.com/fileadmin/user_upload/film_equipment/Brochures/FP3038ECII_ brochure_e.pdf

No experience with them, but yes, with space and money, what's not to like [Smile]

The studio model above looks very versatile with its great flexibility in speeds and such (at a premium, with extra electronics on-board.) The brochure says you can use lamps from 500W on up on this one, depending on which lighthouse you mount.
This looks like the 'specialist' model for analyzing/reviewing film and such, not just a straight-up cinema machine. Lovely as well.

Claus.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted December 02, 2009 12:29 PM

I'll vouch for anything Kinoton. I've been using a 35mm FP23 for quite a while and, even if I've been playing with other big boy toys from other fine manufacturers, the Kinoton remains my favorite. Very quiet, very kind to film and the slightly curved film path garantees a pin sharp focus.
A lot of Philips or Norelco machines are rebadged Kinotons.
I've seen one of their dual format projectors once, quite an impressive beast. I don't know if it's still the case but it had 35mm on the right-hand side (facing the screen) and the 16mm end on the left-hand side, sharing the lamphouse with a prism mechanism.
I've seen the FP30E at work recently, there is no intermittent mechanism and the electronic is amazing as it is monitoring the shutter and pull-down speed in conjunction with both the upper and lower loop.

Am I getting geeky or what? [Big Grin]

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Fabrizio Mosca
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From: Milano, Italy
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posted December 02, 2009 03:27 PM

Steven, another way to have brand new 16mm projectors is from cinemec:
http://www.cinemec.it/prodotti.html

on the 16mm section you may click on the missing picture (SX1600)
http://www.cinemec.it/SX1600.pdf

It's made with xenon lamps starting from 500W.
I've used the 35mm model and it's really a good projector, quiet and with great picture steadyness

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Steven J Kirk
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posted December 02, 2009 03:37 PM

It is something I'm looking into certainly, though I estimate the cost at £5,000 - £8,000 depending on options. The electronic intermitent is very clever and, yes, must be kind to film. I believe the FP38E is 16 and 35 on the same side as the 16 soundhead is visible above the picture gate ( with a digital delay to re-sync.)

http://www.kinoton.de/en/produkte-loesungen/film-equipment/16-35-u nd-70-mm-projektoren/e-serie-premiere.html

I can't justify a 35mm only machine but 16/35mm. Still only the price of a couple-year old used car...

Thanks on the Cinemec link. I didn't know that existed!

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Claus Harding
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posted December 02, 2009 04:06 PM

Fabrizio,

Do you know what the Cinemec 16mm machines cost?

Claus.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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posted December 03, 2009 02:34 AM

Claus,

unfortunately no. I know the 35mm portable with 1600W xenon lamp is about 16.000 euro, without lenses.

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Stewart John Boyle
Expert Film Handler

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From: Glasgow,Scotland
Registered: Oct 2009

posted December 03, 2009 12:11 PM

Anything Kinoton is worth buying, i`ve used these Projectors for 20 years and cant spek highly enough.Reliability plus alomst zero Maintenence. Just kepp an eye on oil levels as sometimes i find leakage occurs internally.
Regards
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