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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 13, 2010 03:47 PM

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I seem to spend a lot of time removing sticky or dried out deposits on 16mm leaders, from old pieces of tape. Not surprising these leave a mess as in some cases the tape has been there for decades! I wondered if anyone knows of ANY type of tape that is practical, lasts for some time, and does not leave deposits? If one exists with these attributes, I still have not seen evidence of it. It's a shame that no one has ever made - as far as I know - the 16mm equivalent of 8mm film clips.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted March 13, 2010 04:40 PM

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Larry Urbanski sells tape for this purpose.

Some have also used Artists Tape - available from any art supplies shop.

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Wayne Tuell
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posted March 13, 2010 05:05 PM

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IMHO, paper tape can be hit or miss. I have purchased tape from Larry U. in the past that has been the worst ever for leaving the gummy substance behind while at the same time having an identical looking roll of tape from the same manufacture work great. My guess would be quality control with the manufacturer.

The last batch of colored paper tapes I got from Filmtools have been "pretty good" for not leaving too much residue behind. The RED tape actually could have used a little more glue.

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Lars-Goran Ahlm
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posted March 14, 2010 09:53 AM

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Another way to go is to place a tapesplice over just half the film at the end of the leader (leave the perforation free, not to waste to much tape), they never leave residue. All my 35MM are stored in this way.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 14, 2010 01:22 PM

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Thanks for the contributions. I do sometimes use a bit of CIR-type splicing tape, but as you can't really use thge same piece more than once, I suppose sellotape would be as good, unless it's a film you don't expect to run again for years.

Something else I've also used is a bit of Blutak, which is OK, but can also leave deposits needing cleaning off. These are not as bad as some types of tape though.

I'd use the paper type, if one was consistently reliable. Considering how advanced adhesive technology is nowadays, I'm surprised no one has come up with a fool-proof type. Maybe I'll try and go into business with my 16mm equivalent of 8mm film clips idea. I won't become rich but I suspect quite a few people would buy them for a reasonable price!

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted March 14, 2010 06:12 PM

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I definitely would, Adrian [Wink]

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David Erskine
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posted March 15, 2010 02:32 PM

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Yerst, Adrian - sounds a good idea - maybe a goer (subject to muni!).
Cheers, David E

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Michael De Angelis
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posted March 15, 2010 08:06 PM

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Look for Artist's tape.
It is white, on a roll and available in many width's.

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Roy Neil
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posted March 17, 2010 06:03 PM

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Permacel sold off their line of tape to another manufacturer - name and all

This accounts for your experiences Wayne

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David Michael Leugers
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posted March 29, 2010 01:12 PM

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I got tired of paper tape drying up and being a pain to remove. I use good quality 3M electrical tape in various colors. Works great and after years of use no problems to report.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted March 29, 2010 01:18 PM

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I must admit, I've always used electrical tape without any problems.
Some collectors, however, frown upon this.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted March 29, 2010 02:19 PM

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I'm seriously taking into consideration to contact a local plastic manufacture firm to ask them if they could help to sort this (plastic clips like the ones used for 8 movies?).

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Adrian Winchester
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posted March 29, 2010 03:19 PM

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I was thinking the same thing but I can't do so in the next 3 weeks or so, so if you want to proceed, please go ahead, and if you have any luck, I won't bother.

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted March 29, 2010 03:54 PM

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I will let you know as soon as I have good news.
Ciao [Wink]

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David Pannell
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posted March 30, 2010 04:23 AM

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Gian and Adrian,

I, for one, would be very interested in purchasing the 16mm clips!

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Gian Luca Mario Loncrini
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posted March 30, 2010 05:06 AM

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All news about this possibility will be in case posted ASAP.
Ciao.

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Joe McAllister
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posted March 30, 2010 03:47 PM

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I bought a small collection of silent films all in 400' reels which came with retaining clips made from what I think is copper have a small tin full having made the 400's up onto larger reels. The films were from the 30's so I imagine the clips have been in place for some time. I would imagine it would be easy to manufacture something similar. However I don't have a problem with with using camera tape even though it dries out leaves a residue etc

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Steven Sigel
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posted April 13, 2010 06:03 PM

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I use this stuff:
http://www.filmtools.com/12whitperpap.html

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Den Brown
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posted April 14, 2010 03:45 PM

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Camera tape - no idea what the proper term is for it.

It's what camera crews use on shoots to secure kit, label magazines etc.

Can be torn by hand.

They write on it with Sharpies.

The 1/2 inch width roll was used in film cutting rooms (before the rise of Avid) for the securing of reel ends and the 3/4inch for the labelling of can edges.

For 16mm reels use 1/4 inch tape or just cut 1 inch tape to fit.

Camera tape is thicker than Permacel paper tape (in the link above) so can be removed easily and re-used. Permacel tends to tear as it's more like adhesive, glossy paper.

http://promotion.bright-site.co.uk/cameras/consumables/Camera%20tape%202in/
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