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Can Sanalan
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 - posted November 14, 2017 04:42 PM      Profile for Can Sanalan   Email Can Sanalan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
...so what other options are left that we can use for cleaning our 16mm film?
Can't ship these products from the U.S. due to safety regulations.
Does anyone know of any other cleaner out there that cleans and perhaps lubricates?
Thank you,

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Michael Lattavo
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Solvon - check urbanski website

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Paul Browning
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 - posted November 14, 2017 05:19 PM      Profile for Paul Browning   Email Paul Browning   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Filmguard is available from jackro in the uk, just had new stock in, 900ml bottle size £70.00 plus vat plus postage, around £100.......

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted November 15, 2017 12:24 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester   Email Adrian Winchester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Cresclene from Classic Home Cinema is a good cleaner/lubricant. They can't post it though, so it has to be sent by courier, which obviously pushes up the cost. If you're not going to Blackpool but you're within easy reach of Croydon, you're welcome to contact me as I currently have an unused bottle I could sell.

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Nigel Higgins
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 - posted November 15, 2017 02:26 PM      Profile for Nigel Higgins   Email Nigel Higgins   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The thing is cresclean is very smelly and greasy that is what I have found.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted November 16, 2017 12:27 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Can - A point of correction, FilmGuard is the only cleaner on the market that can legally be shipped via air.

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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I cannot find a link to order one bottle...
Jackro or Jack Roe?
Is there a link which could lead me to the site?

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Stuart Hilliker
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 - posted November 16, 2017 03:21 PM      Profile for Stuart Hilliker   Email Stuart Hilliker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I’ve just bought Filmguard from Jack Roe.
Try emailing jonathan@jack-roe.co.uk.
Excellent service and very quick delivery.

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Bill Phelps
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Steve Osborne of The Reel Image in USA sells Filmguard for $59 a quart and ships around the world.

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Maurice Leakey
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Link to Jack Roe Cinema Supplies FilmGuard.
http://cinemasupplies.co.uk/ProductDescription.php?prod=CFGUARD

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Kevin Clark
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Following Maurice's link the Jack Roe price now seems to be £0.00 per 900ml - time to fill your boots!

Allowing for their somewhat clunky website pricing error if the Jack Roe price is £100 and the Reel Images price is $59 (ie: about £50) this is yet another case of 'Welcome to Rip Off Britain' surely?

Kevin

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Maurice Leakey
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I believe the price was shown as zero when they had no stocks a little while ago.
The words "In Stock" now appear.

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Kevin Clark
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Just clicked on their link, says 'In Stock' and price £0.00 so perhaps they are having a re-think price wise - to me this stinks of profiteering now they are the only UK stockist.

Kevin

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David Roberts
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 - posted November 17, 2017 04:57 AM      Profile for David Roberts   Email David Roberts   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am happy with cresclene,though do agree the smell is a bit pungent.
have used filmguard in the past,great product but £100 a bottle!
cresclene will do nicely thanks.

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James Wilson
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 - posted November 17, 2017 06:15 AM      Profile for James Wilson   Author's Homepage   Email James Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Folks,

I`ve been using Cresclean for quite a few years now & I`m very happy with it.

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Can Sanalan
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 - posted November 17, 2017 09:17 AM      Profile for Can Sanalan   Email Can Sanalan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you all for your replies.
Seems like theres a few options to pick from.

I did email Jack Roe via their sales email address and a jonathan@jack-roe.co.uk replied saying they actually do still stock Filmguard!

"We do still supply.
The cost per bottle is £70.17 + £11.30 shipping.
Prices exclude VAT."

So it probably does come to around £100 per bottle with VAT.
He didn't state what volume though.

@Brad Miller :
I believe you're the creator/owner of Filmguard am I right, based on what I've read on other forums?

I came across a site while looking up 16mm film cleaning and it states that Filmguard is not really recommended as its main intent was for films that were constantly projected in cinemas.
I'm just curious is there any truth in that or is he mistaken?
Is it still okay to use it on films that'll only be projected once in awhile?

Here's the link:

http://16mmfilminfo.com/clean.html

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Bill Phelps
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Who is the author of that link?

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted November 17, 2017 12:22 PM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Can,

What that site says is complete nonsense. I have used FilmGuard on hundreds of films in my collection over the years and have never had any issue with it.

Doug

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I think there's room for just one more film.....

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Bill Brandenstein
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Can: ditto Mr. Meltzer, except I probably have hundreds fewer films than he does!

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Bill Phelps
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I can also say I have used the same bottle of Filmguard for the past 12 years (a bottle does go a long way) and cleaned miles of film and never had any issues other than clean films that run smoothly thru my protectors. [Smile]

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Brad Miller
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Can - That link was written by a troll who was stirring up nonstop drama many, many, many years ago on the primary Film-Tech Forums and I had to boot him after repeated warnings. His retaliation was spreading false rumors of the product to try and "get back" at me for booting him, including going through the trouble of creating an entire website. Some people have nothing better to do I guess. Regardless there are prints cleaned and lubricated with FilmGuard from the late 80s and in all the years not one legitimate case has ever been reported of film damage.

Jack Roe's price isn't a ripoff, it is literally costing us noticeably more to produce the product these days. This is partially due to the increased cost of chemicals as well as the significantly lower quantities we are producing in. It just cost more to make now and I think the Reel Image simply doesn't have an updated price posted.

The standard 32 ounce and for the first time ever, new 16 ounce size bottles will be available by the end of the year.

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Maurice Leakey
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A smaller 16oz bottle to come, Brad, that's good news.

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Mark Todd
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I love Filmguard but does anyone else get the small white flecks or flashes if you like on prints with it, more noticebale on colour films and darker scenes etc.

I usually find they show up on a film you`ve not run for a while, run it a few times over the sound drum they go away more or less, but do pop back up again in future.

Is there any way of sorting something in the UK for collectors here Brad please to make it more affordable. It would be appreciated I`m sure.

Best Mark.

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Kevin Clark
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You are describing the classic effect of over-applying Filmguard there Mark - the excess droplets refract light and show as defined edge silvery min-bubbles - fixable by careful slow winding through clean lint free cloth - just an indication of the amount wasted by some in over applying in the first place.

I would imagine the one positive effect of the price increase maybe collectors think twice before making their films dripping wet by using less in the first place.

Brad - thank you for clarifying the increased manufacturing cost position and that Jack Roe or other Filmguard re-sellers are not profiteering - sadly though when my two remaining bottles are used up I will think very carefully before spending this much on film cleaner and it may also cause others currently wanting to clean their films to try 'home brew' methods - Classic will no doubt be in their shed night and day ramping up Cresclean production in the hope of picking up lost Filmguard customers.

Kevin

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Can Sanalan
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 - posted November 18, 2017 10:52 AM      Profile for Can Sanalan   Email Can Sanalan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you for clarifying that Brad.
I just wanted to be sure and when I saw that site I wasn't.
Thank you for all the replies and recommendations.

As Filmguard is available I'll be looking to buy a bottle of it from Jack Roe after payday.

Cheers guys.

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