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Mark L Barton
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From: Bristol, South Glos, England
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 - posted March 22, 2019 03:42 PM      Profile for Mark L Barton   Email Mark L Barton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello. I have an old EIKI NT 16mm projector that everytime I auto load, or manual load, it tears film LENGTHWAYS! Over 10 frames will be ripped thru, any ideas why this evil machine is destroying film (its single perf camera film that has been projected just fine on other previous machines)

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Jonathan Wood
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From: Oxfordshire, UK
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 - posted March 28, 2019 02:05 PM      Profile for Jonathan Wood   Email Jonathan Wood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Mark,
Whereabouts length ways is it ripping the film. ? I’m assuming it’s near to or along the sprockets ? If so it could be mis aligned teeth ? If it’s elsewhere, then have you checked the film path for debris ? I’ve had this problem before with 35mm where the film slipped out of the path and onto the edge of a sprocket wheel - slicing the film down the centre until I stopped the machine . Can’t imagine this with 16 though as the film path tends to be more enclosed. I would disassemble and have a look .
Jon

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Steven J Kirk
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 - posted March 28, 2019 04:20 PM      Profile for Steven J Kirk   Email Steven J Kirk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Check that the sprocket disc is not slipping. Tighten the screw on the sprocket. I have had a problem with this. If you unscrew and disassemble you can check that the disc is not moving separately from the whole thing.

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Nantawat Kittiwarakul
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From: Rajburana, Bangkok, Thailand
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 - posted March 28, 2019 08:31 PM      Profile for Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Email Nantawat Kittiwarakul   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gotta pin point to where the damage originated.

Try manually lacing the film in (using some "junk" films of course) and manually inching the film through the projector,you should see where the mishap came from. [Wink]

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted March 29, 2019 03:34 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
… its single perf camera film that has been projected just fine on other previous machines...
Is there a clue here?
Mark, do you mean other make projectors, or on another Eiki?
A seller of films recently said that his 16mm print for sale ran well on a Bell & Howell, but his Elf gave trouble with the same print.
Have you another Eiki/Elf to try out the same film, does the mentioned NT model tear all films, or just the ex camera film?

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Mark Silvester
Master Film Handler

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From: England
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 - posted March 29, 2019 03:39 AM      Profile for Mark Silvester   Email Mark Silvester   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all

I've had plenty of the Elfs/Eikis in the past and whilst well made machines I never trusted the claw system with anything other than virtually mint/new prints from experience.

Much..much preferred my B&Howells or Bauer P7/8's much better machines.
[Smile]

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Rob Young.
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 - posted March 31, 2019 05:29 AM      Profile for Rob Young.     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Whilst it sounds as though Mark B has a problem, I agree with Mark S that these machines, whilst solidly built, are intolerant of all but pretty perfect (or well repaired) prints.

The auto loop restorer when activated will keep the film running, but usually tears more sprocket holes at the same time.

I've found that it's essential to examine a print before hand to avoid any problems when running them on these two claw machines.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted March 31, 2019 11:08 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Rob has made a good point about the loop restorer causing film damage on Elf/Eiki projectors.
Such a different method from the Bell & Howell design which ensures that the claw is withdrawn before the loop restorer activates.

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Richard C Patchett
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From: Flint Mi 48506
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 - posted March 31, 2019 01:47 PM      Profile for Richard C Patchett   Author's Homepage   Email Richard C Patchett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Greetings
I ran into this a few years back
Found out that the teeth on the metal sprocket one was smaller than the others from wear.
Before replacing it i removed the complete assy and cleaned the shaft and re lubed it Works Great
Hope this helps
RC

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Mark L Barton
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 - posted April 09, 2019 08:04 AM      Profile for Mark L Barton   Email Mark L Barton   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you all for this excellent advice. Will start following these checks now. Cheers

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