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David Baker
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Hello fellow film fiends !
Beginning this month I will review one of my finest Red prints from my film collection !
With film synopsis , reviews and fun facts !

This month's selection is …..

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Upon entering his fiancée's family mansion, a man discovers a savage family curse and fears that his future brother-in-law has entombed his bride-to-be prematurely.

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ONE OF MY FAVORITE " RED PRINTS " of ALL TIME !!
After a long journey, Philip arrives at the Usher mansion seeking his loved one, Madeline. Upon arriving, however, he discovers that Madeline and her brother Roderick Usher have been afflicted with a mysterious malady: Roderick's senses have become painfully acute, while Madeline has become catatonic. That evening, Roderick tells his guest of an old Usher family curse: any time there has been more than one Usher child, all of the siblings have gone insane and died horrible deaths. As the days wear on, the effects of the curse reach their terrifying climax.

"House of Usher" is an excellent start for Roger Corman's cycle of films based on the work of Edgar Allan Poe. There have been many remakes, but the Corman films remain the definitive statement. Corman was able to capture the feel of Poe's work and that's something that the remakes couldn't even touch. It also provides a tour de force for Vincent Price and establishes him as a great actor.

The film was shot on a budget of $270,000 and it looks GREAT. "House of Usher" is a fabulous calling card for American International Pictures, the distributor. Mostly known for making grade Z schlock, Corman's films gave AIP real class. This is also Corman's first film in CinemaScope and he makes the most of the widescreen here. It earns him a distinction of mine as a "Master of the Widescreen", or filmmakers who create complex and worthwhile compositions in the widescreen frame. The only problem is that the Poe films die on TV, due to the horrific "pan-and-scan" process. Luckily for us, American Movie Classics show these Poe films often in letterbox and MGM is releasing the cycle on letterboxed DVDs.

My print shown here is the Cinemascope version .

For a film that runs 85 minutes, "House of Usher" packs a lot into its' narrative. It is the most faithful of the Poe adaptations, although screenwriter Richard Matheson does take some liberties with the source material, as any great adaptation should. Floyd Crosby's CinemaScope photography is excellent as usual and Daniel Haller's elaborate sets make this look more expensive than it really is. Vincent Price's performance as Usher sets the tone for his future appearances in other Poe films. It neatly combines calm and frenzy together and I can't think of anyone else who would have done a better job. He should have received an Oscar nomination and maybe even the Oscar itself.

Note: "House of Usher" introduces the infamous "Burning Rafters" sequence. If you watch these Poe films back-to-back, you'll see this same sequence repeat itself over and over in several of the films (Tomb of Ligeia and The Raven come to mind). It is a mild criticism, but it is such a great sequence and it is so effectively shot that I didn't mind seeing it again and again.

In 1960 when the film was released , there was 6 minutes of prelude music that played before the credits or film rolled . You'll be very lucky to find an 85 minute print !

You can see this on the BIG screen , August 17 , 2019 at the GORGEOUS PALACE THEATER , 605 Market Ave. No. in Canton , Ohio.
A presentation of Ron Adams' MONSTER BASH .
http://www.monsterbashnews.com/bash-August.html

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Brian Stearns
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OMG David this post is wonderful idea

This is what I call and think of when someone mentions its a review...please keep them coming

Enjoyment of the film is all that matter then fussing about the color quality. I have films in my collection I would not part with because red prints are the only ones out there. I prefer film over blu ray or any other media source.

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Graham Ritchie
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David

Did you actually sit and watch this badly faded film right through? [Eek!]

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Terry Sills
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It's not badly faded - it's RED - no colours - just RED😬

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Graham Ritchie
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Then you better check the trailer out....filmed in Eastman Color [Smile]

https://youtu.be/f0JK8RYmWt8?list=PL9BRllbj0ozuiXZ7X8y7HXdSxf2bY5fRG

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Terry Sills
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Graham
We're talking about this print - not an unaffected trailer with wonderfully vibrant colours, when it was filmed back in the day.
I doubt there is a surviving Eastman copy that has comparable colours to that trailer these days.

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Graham Ritchie
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Do people actually watch full features of this "RED" stuff? [Smile]

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Terry Sills
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It seems so, but not for me! I would find it very irritating and unable to concentrate on the storyline.

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Brian Fretwell
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Pity it wasn't "The Masque of the RED Death".

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David Baker
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Gentlemen , first off , THANK YOU for your comments !

Do I really need to explain why people STILL watch RED PRINTS ?

This particular Eastman print is one I had been seeking all my life - in scope - and regardless of the color !
Many of us don't really care if it's RED - just the JOY of having a favorite print in your hands to screen .
Why I've bought RED prints from BOTH of the moderators of this very forum before - and will continue to do so .

In fact , I SELL MANY prints in this condition - or worse on eBay ! Here is a link to one on right now -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/113703718142

And Mr. Fretwell , my print of MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH does NOT QUALIFY to be classified in this category BECAUSE IT STILL HAS GOOD COLOR !! Probably the best color of any Eastman print I own .

I've got a lot of GREAT STUFF to showcase in RED PRINT THEATER !

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Mark Mander
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As long as you enjoy them David then that's what this hobby is all about,some people's tastes in film aren't mine red or unfaded so if it's a film your glad to own then fair enough,Mark

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David Baker
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Thanks Mark : you certainly understand , 'tis the love of the hobby that is the heart of this thread .

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Stuart Finkelstein
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David makes a good point. Many original prints, especially in Scope, were made on Eastman stock and have suffered the dreaded color fade. But they are original, and usually, complete. To seek out later versions on low fade stock, you are finding either edited or flat versions (usually TV prints), or more likely, a combination of both. People themselves change with age, as do films. Should we be discarded because of changes we undergo?

David...you keep collecting, and enjoy your collection to the max. And please continue to post your findings and observations here.

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Dave Groves
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The joy of running film can’t be denied, but the film wasn’t made to look red. If you’re happy to view it that way then fine. Colour defines the makeup of all that constitutes the picture. Everything is debased when colour breaks down and, for me, I feel somewhat cheated by the loss. I bought ‘Thief of Bagdad’ (Advertised by the seller as a colour perfect LPP which it wasn’t) because I love the film. Seeing it in purple doesn’t spoil the story but detracts from the beauty of Technicolor palette. So I run the Blu-ray and the print. Both bring pleasure in a different way, but, to be honest, if the seller had truthfully described the print I’d have stuck with the Blu-ray.

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Mark Silvester
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Ha...ha..ha....and imagine the perfect combination of red with a lovely... subtle sprinkling of "vinegar"...to add that certain "somethin else" to the mix...great stuff!

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Brian Stearns
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No one is mentioning vinegar here dude where talking about the enjoyment of red prints. thats the purpose of this topic. if you want to start vinegar thread I respectfully ask to to open another thread

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David Ollerearnshaw
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I have Quatermass And The Pit 4x400ft with some fade. I enjoy watching it more than the bluray I bought, mainly because it lost the look of film in some parts. It takes on the look of video clinically clean

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Graham Ritchie
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David

You could always go to your TV/VP "menu" and change the color settings [Big Grin]

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David Baker
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Well Graham why don't you review your ONE faded print you admit to having ?

Add it to my heap .

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Graham Ritchie
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I did in another topic called "rare films" [Smile]

The only two films remaining that are sadly fading but not red as yet. One being "The Snow Goose" the other "A Train For Christmas" My 16mm Scope print of Star Wars which was red went to the dump, replaced with the Blu-ray.

Those two short films I mention in particular "The Snow Goose" have never been released in VHS, DVD, or Blu-ray, and most likely due to legal issues that go way back, will never get released to the fans of this particular film which for years have been asking for it which is a real shame.

I just remember "Portrait Of Lee Marvin" that's another one that might have a use, in the special features of any up and coming "Paint Your Wagon" Blu-ray from Paramount. I will contact then very soon, and see if they want this print, as with color correction it would make an interesting add on, due to the fact it was filmed on the set.

Apart from those few short films, the rest including Super 8 and 16mm have been thrown out, replaced due to the titles now being available for sale in a remastered format.

I don't think "The Snow Goose" has reached your level of red yet and hope it never will, but here is a preview...

https://youtu.be/IRPL8Y7-lpU

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Mike Newell
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Graham

Is this the snow goose movie you want?

http://www.foundthatfilm.co.uk/epages/es133404.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es133404/Products/%22The%20Snow%20Goose%22

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Each to there own i guess,
personally i am not keen on fading films let alone red prints.
I fully understand other collectors who are OK with them, in fact you may recall a recent thread i put up with thanks to Hugh Scott whose screenshots of a faded print using dirt cheap filter gels showed how many prints can be bought back to good colours giving many more years of screenings.
As far as 16mm is concerned due to the cost of the hobby we made a pact to ensure all of our small collection will be decent colour prints only unless the films b/w obviously.
Where i veered away with a few fading TV prints i have corrected this by selling them on with only one left. Many of our super 8s with some fade will also be moved on in time and the cash raised allows us to buy either more equipment / repairs and films.
I simply cannot sit through a red or badly fading film, however, if your happy to do so then thats your choice but not for me personally [Wink]

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Graham Ritchie
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That's the film Mike.

I cant help but to think, its not a official release due them mentioning "watchable but not perfect" [Frown] It looks like its been taken of VHS that's been copied from a print, then from the VHS to a DVD format.

I would really like to see this film released by the BFI if possible as I understand Jenny Agutter went to a screening of it at the BFI not so long ago.

PS Tom I have been trying out filters as you suggested being a light blue and light yellow without real success. I was losing to much light just with the blue, so for now have given up, but it was certainly worth a try. [Smile]

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Brian Stearns
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David

I think this one is a companion to yours and worthy of red print theatre

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16MM-FEATURE-The-Tomb-of-Ligeia-1964-Vincent-Price-Classic-Scope-Print/153454162378

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For $29? I could start my own Red Print Theater with that title. Plus all the other ones I have that David has yet to buy!

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