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Stuart Reid
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The Despecialized version is of surprisingly high quality, I watched it projected in my home cinema and it was a knockout.

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Rob Young.
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There is an authentic, legitimate version of the original presented as an "extra" on certain DVD releases.

Sadly, it is letterbox and looks appalling.

And the LD versions at 480i

Despecialized..hmmm...interesting... [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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As i understand it, there are now no original 1977 versions available to buy. Lucas made sure of that. There must still be a few around on laser disc and VHS. (not too sure about the DVD versions), but today it is not available. Our cine films are probably hated by George Lucas.

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Rob Young.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-IV-Hope-Limited/dp/B000FMH8UI

Tom, have a look at this (product description and reviews).

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Stuart Reid
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Tom, the Despecialized edition is made from bits of laserdisc, DVD and even (I think) some scanned 16mm/35mm. There's a great YouTube video about the making of it, including how some sections are made up from still images, with rotoscoped moving images in front of them. Everything looks as it would have if you'd been to the cinema when Star Wars was very first released. The whole project is a startling labour of love, right down to the soundtrack which has been mixed into a very close approximation of the 1976 Dolby Stereo release, complete with original sound fx.

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Rob Young.
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Stuart, any links to this?

[ August 15, 2018, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: Rob Young. ]

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Can Sanalan
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This is quite interesting to see:

https://youtu.be/b-wXMWxoQDg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Edition

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Rob Young.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrXO2RDzLg

Amazing.

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Stuart Reid
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Glad you found it Rob, impressive isn't it!

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Bill Brandenstein
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I haven't sourced a Harmy Despecialized version, but what I have is the Team Negative 1 scan from 35mm release prints. What's most remarkable about the latter is how grainy it is.

Which brings up a very significant point about Harmy, particularly if you've watched the video linked above: the Despecialized Version claims to be what audiences saw in 1977, but that's true only in concept. Obviously, what he's done goes far beyond reconstruction and deep into restoration and enhancement. Audiences didn't see that crisp and clean of a movie in 1977.

So if you REALLY want the real deal, you need the "Silver Screen Edition" from Team -1, in my opinion.

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Dave Groves
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I find all this quite fascinating not being particularly informed on the history of the film. Obviously George Lucas knows what is happening. Did he give it his blessing or was it done without his authority? I think it's time I dug out the old Laserdisc and gave it a viewing.

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Bill Brandenstein
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Dave, all of it is clearly renegade. And finding downloads is anything but straightforward. The only reason I can assuage my conscience in having this bootleg is because I own so many licensed copies of it on other media, and I consider it a "substitute" media under copyright "Fair Use."

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Rob Young.
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https://archive.org/details/StarWars1977_201707

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Bill Brandenstein
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Rob, that's a very interesting link, and it sure is the correct version... highly compressed, and destructively so.

The movie file I have is MKV format and nearly fills a Blu-ray disc, so roughly 22GB.

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Brian Stearns
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someone bought the Star Wars for 3775.00

I hope they have a projector

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Dave Groves
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At that price I'd be frightened to death to let it see the light of day!! Wonder if someone on the Forum bought it?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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My super 8mm Star Wars from Derann is dated 1989. So which version is this? the original ones or the altered version?

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Rob Young.
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Winbert, it is the 1981 re-release, which is essentially the original 1977 version but with the main title now changed to Episode IV: A New Hope, and a few minor audio mix changes.

The Special Editions with major alterations appeared in 1997 for the 20th anniversary.

Different version, including the original 35mm Dolby prints and original 70mm 6 track prints have slight differences in the audio here and there.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Thanks Rob.

BTW I am still happy with my tiny miny 8mm but excellent color. I don't understand people buying faded prints for high price while the 8mm LPP prints are available. This happened a lot in Gone With the Wind case.

cheers,

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Bill Brandenstein
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Well Winbert, don't tell them! It will drive the price up for the Super 8 copies!

(Says one who will probably never own this.)

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David Hardy
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I showed Star Wars here in the UK on 35mm in 1977 and yes the prints had a fair amount of grain. So in order to be "authentic" to the original release the grain would have to remain along with some slight print unsteadiness in some shots. [Smile]

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Peter Biancardi
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You guys need to dig harder, there are various 35mm scans of all the Star Wars films. Google Project 4k77 to start.

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Steven J Kirk
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I was one of those of a certain age that saw STAR WARS in my local cinema. I remember the grainy desert scenes very well and wondered why that was. I also recall the light blue boxes around the TIE fighters particularly. Subsequent viewings reveal a lot of 'shortcomings' in the look of the film. I also saw the 'special edition' in the cinema and whilst those sorts of faults were fixed Lucas decided to shoehorn in a lot of clutter. There must be a happy medium where a new print could feature cleaned up effects and perhaps some re-done but not changing the content, as it were.

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David Guest
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collecters seem to like these titles I have 2 I am going to be listing soon
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mad max 2 in scope

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Graham Ritchie
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I saw the film when it came out way back in 1977, honest folks how can you remember that far back? [Big Grin] I cant remember any faults at all, as I and everyone else were to engrossed watching the film. [Big Grin]

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