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Topic: Off-Topic..Sincere good wishes to Great Britain
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted July 09, 2005 02:32 PM
It is good to release our thoughts among friends. This is a sound batch of chaps, and a wonderful forum.
For this, I am very grateful. This is why I feel so akin to what has happened in London, for it reminds me of my own experience on that Tuesday morning (four years ago), and for the many weeks that followed afterward.
I only wish to share of my own observation and experience.
I live in Albertson, NY. It's 23.4 miles = 37.6586496 kilometers from the WTC site.
On that day, I could view the devastation from the third floor school gymnasium, as the tops of both towers charred with flames and soot poured out, as I watched at the school which I work in Brooklyn, NY. The location is only 5 miles = 8.04672 kilometers from NYC.
In our local Church Parish, 20 families were affected. Either for those that worked there, or for the firefighters and police that live in the community that were affected by the incident.
For weeks, regardless of where you traveled here on Long Island, there were digital images of missing persons in local communities pasted to shop door window glass fronts, and a litany of blocked traffic jams filled with Police and Firefighters in their dress uniforms standing attention, in front of funeral homes, temples and churches. Thus it was not surprising to see a jam in front of a church at 5:00, on a Saturday evening.
The countless stories from teachers in academia, regarding unfortunate children sitting in classes, with the understanding that their loved one will never return home again.
It was a continual cruel reminder of the events, and something that I will never forget.
Thank you for listening.
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Douglas Meltzer
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From: New York, NY, USA
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posted July 10, 2005 10:05 AM
What really hits home, similar to Michael's experience, are the scenes of photos on walls, bus stops, windows, etc. of loved ones who are still missing. There appear to be bodies in the debris at the King's Cross station that can't be recovered yet. Here in New York, photos with "Missing" and "Have you seen this person?" were posted everywhere right after Sept. 11th and each photo tears at your heart. Almost 4 years later, 48 people are still unaccounted for.
Doug
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1261
From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted July 23, 2005 11:54 AM
Tom,
Indeed your points are well established. However I'm not holding my breath that Mr. Blair and his followers will ever wake up. They all need a check-up from the neck up. The same holds true here in the USA. When addressing the issues of attack, the only way is to strike back, and let them know that you mean it. I'm not blood-thirsty, but for anyone that holds the truths of modern civilization sacred, then civilized society needs to understand that these believers-extremists nearly conquered the world thousands of years ago through the means of the sword. This is not something that I am making up, it's not hate talk, it's only the historical fact. The west should not feel ashamed of the Historical colonization of Britain. We live and breath democracy that has brought and allowed the free thinkers that shaped today's modern world.
The 'Sir Issac Newtons' and men of Renaissance sacrificed great lengths, to share their gifts with the world. It was the 'Neville Chamberlains' that goofed.
This Forum is a discussion which is evidence of those 'Newtons', 'Galileos's' and modern marvels which we cherish. It shall not be bludgeoned from us.
Respectfully,
Michael
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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 23, 2005 12:50 PM
I do agree with many of your points Michael, unfortunatley it is difficult to know where to strike because they hide in so many countrys. This one included as we have now seen. The biggest problem began in 91 when Mrs Thatcher decided that the extra day required to take out saddam was "not what they set out to do". It gave him 10 extra years to sort himself out. As for the extremists who are causing todays problem, where do we all go from here, Iran, N Korea, Saudi, Yeman? the list is endless anmd i see today they got Egypt. These scabs even kill women and children in there own Countries ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Unfortunatly the only way to deal with it as you say is to take the war to them no matter what before they do become stronger and stronger. If there minds are warped enough to blow themselves up,(how sad can one get) then if they are caught they must be executed. That certainly wouldn't happen here as, appararntly, we are too civilised, what a joke for an excuse to allow them to live.
Whats annoyed me recently is three British soldiers have been done for mis-treating prisoners, it didnt matter that they executed in the most savageway the many hostages they caught.
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Jan Bister
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From: Ohio, USA
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted July 23, 2005 01:09 PM
That's a good point you bring up there, Tom, but the one thing that speaks for our Western civilized ways, of course, is that at least we give criminals, no matter how savage they are, their fair and due process. This is justice, and it's one of the cornerstones of who we as a society are. Yes, sometimes it's hard as we all get emotional and have our days where we would like to just run around and kill all the bad guys with guns in our hands - but if we did, would we then be so much better than them? In the end we're much better off being who we are by worrying about such seemingly contradictory things like the British soldiers being reprimanded for mishandling prisoners that probably deserved worse anyway. Now, back where those prisoners come from (I'm assuming they were from Iraq/Egypt/Sudan/etc.) they wouldn't even bother with that. "Let's just blow them up, and ourselves along the way so we can go to heaven!" ... Ugh.
I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe we ARE too civilized at times, as you say (I agree), but at least we are civilized, period. That's worth hanging onto...
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