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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 21, 2005 04:09 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
something i've been trying to get into is transfering my own VHS home videos to DVD and ultimatly my super 8 sound home movies to DVD.
What a palava!! [Frown] I use a good video capture card and a program called videostudio7SE. Putting the film onto the pc is no problem, but even when checking my project properties the final transfer is clear but when the image moves i get annoying pixalation/ghosting. Anyone out there do there own?
If so what programms do you use and how easy is its use?
( i'm being a good boy and putting this away from cine and into general yak) [Wink]

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Jan Bister
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- posted August 21, 2005 06:50 PM      Profile for Jan Bister   Email Jan Bister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You mean the preview looks OK but when mastering your video to a DVD disc and playing it back, it looks bad?
Sounds like a problem with the encoding settings... i.e. software-related, and indeed very specific to the program you're using (which I'm not familiar with). [Eek!]

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Kurt Gardner
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- posted August 21, 2005 08:01 PM      Profile for Kurt Gardner   Author's Homepage   Email Kurt Gardner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Some of those programs that come bundled with hardware (i.e. video capture devices) have very weak compressors that will give you small-resolution video. Is the program Quicktime based or something like Real Player or WIndows Media? I use Adobe Premiere on one of the new 20" widescreen Imacs and get great results. Adobe has Premiere Elements for PC for $99, which might be better than using a bundled compression/editing program.

Is your computer strong? Do have have at least an 800mHz processor, 500 mbs of RAM and a 40 GIG or above hard drive? That's also important. See if you can adjust the setting on the capture program to 720 x 480 pixels with a frame rate of 29.98 or 30 frames per second, quality 80% to 90%. It'll be a big file, but then you can compress it to MPEG-2 for DVD. And that's another question. DId you capture in MPEG-1? That's only suitable for VCDs, not DVDs, because the image is smaller and degraded and it's not compatible. See if any of those things help.

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Jan Bister
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- posted August 21, 2005 09:48 PM      Profile for Jan Bister   Email Jan Bister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Agreed = Kurt makes some excellent points there.

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Kurt Gardner
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- posted August 22, 2005 07:34 AM      Profile for Kurt Gardner   Author's Homepage   Email Kurt Gardner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry -- just realized the UK address. Of course, you would use the PAL frame rate of 25 fps, and the aspect ratio would be 720 x 576. Premiere has both NTSC and PAL settings.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 22, 2005 01:50 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all, Thanks for the replies,my pc is well up, i have a 2300 procssesor, 140gig HD 1024ram. I did manage one sucsessful dvd. Its been a pain ever since. I ensured all the settings are as the first one (which took so many goes i almost gave up)Pal 25fps, Field order B (i understand when useing my new DV camcorder you use field order A and these work perfect)
Very complex compared to good old cine editing thats for sure.
Certainly as you say Kurt, the actual viewing on the PC itself is A1. its the final disc product thats the prob.
so to sum up, i set the preferences to (for Video tape to DVD that is) Pal 25fps, MPeg files, Field order B, (DVD-Pal 4:3)
video data rate:Variable (max 8000kbps)
What you boy's reckon? [Confused] I'm assuming when i set my super 8 home movies and put it VIA my DV camcorder it will be a lot easier.

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Jan Bister
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- posted August 22, 2005 08:22 PM      Profile for Jan Bister   Email Jan Bister   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe you ought to try a constant bitrate instead of a variable one... and 8000kbps seems very high to me anyway, with most DVDs it seems to be around the 3k to 4k mark. See if you can do that... or if there's a minimum bitrate that is set too low, try setting it higher.
I don't know what the field order options 'A' and 'B' are supposed to mean, but I do know that field order relates directly to how the 25 full frames per second are broken up into 50 interlaced fields per second. Hmm, could that be causing the mess-up? Have you tried field order 'A'?

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 24, 2005 05:35 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'll give those ideas a go Jan, Thanks, [Wink]

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Craig Hamilton
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- posted August 24, 2005 07:28 AM      Profile for Craig Hamilton     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tom, the best way to capture VHS on the pc is by using the Dazzle dv-bridge. This little gem captures analogue signals and converts them to digital before passing data to your hard drive via your fire wire connection. I then use Nero 6 to burn copies to DVD. I have just done this with the old classic Hammer Horror The Gorgon, as I want to watch this movie on the big screen via the Panasonic.

A DV-Bridge can usually be found on ebay. Example below.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 24, 2005 08:11 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Graig, that is excellent. Thank you for that.
The new camcorder i got is a little cannon MV700. VIA the firewall DVD's are a walk through and it gives ideal results every time so if i get the gadget you put me onto that will be everything i need. [Wink]

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Andreas Eggeling
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- posted August 25, 2005 03:27 AM      Profile for Andreas Eggeling     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

three months ago I got a urgent inquiry for a UFA three parter in very good condition which was searched as a master for a DVD bonus. The print he have was in bad condition.

So I make a little deal, I said I will borrow the prints if I get them back with one of the DVD.

Yesterday, I got my prints with the brand new DVD release and it
was really funny to watch Super8 from a DVD. The picture is not as good as from a 35mm film and is dependent from the 8mm print quality but the sound is very good. There is no difference between the sound from a super8 mono print and a 35mm mono print.
I said to him that my archive is open for other dvd releases.

I ask me why Universal didnīt give their Universal8 releases as a bonus on dvd releases.

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Colin Robert Hunt
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- posted August 26, 2005 09:14 AM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tom. Just to add. Snap. just bought the same camera from Jessops a few months back. Not used yet. Interesting subject though on this topic.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 26, 2005 11:37 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thats where i got mine. My Brother showed off and got the MV750i. Thats handy because i see i can borrow his to convert analouge to digital signal. I did a quick test on my own MV700 and once i selected the relevant project settings, (PAL DVD, field order A for digital) i recorded onto the Pc then created a DVD disc and the result was top Notch with no loss of quality. Canon make great cameras and did some of the best super 8 sound camera's.
I looked in some general PC books in town yesterday and i saw three books which gave examples of Videostudio program tips so it must be a resonable program. Its certainly cramed with effects, titles and just about everything that Roxio has.
Now i can convert the Signal from analouge to digital, thats going to be my saving grace. Trying to play with analouge is turning into a nightmare. [Frown]
Once i finish with my home VHS tapes i'm going to have a bash a super8 to DVD. We have many home movies i want to copy for my Parents who dont have Projectors as well as a safety precaution should my films become damaged in any way.

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Colin Robert Hunt
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- posted August 27, 2005 01:18 AM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sounds like fun. I'm off to Cumbria this weekend so taking the canon with me. Just started doing video editing of my old 8mm tape. The editing packages are great fun when you master them. Tried copying some cine film from one of those converters that you project on. Not bad results. The advangae also is that it's easier to do effects and tiles with these packages. Much easier than film and you can add music easily as well. Has you say not everyone has a projector and sometimes easier to show on disc to some people.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 27, 2005 01:59 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Exactly, and of course while we use thefinal disc to view for most of the time we are preserving our cine films for the future. [Wink]

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Colin Robert Hunt
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- posted August 31, 2005 01:37 PM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just back from the weekend in Cumbria. Glad to say the results on the Canon MV700 are excelent. Found the 16:9 feature a bonus on the landscape shots. Had done various scenes on different locations and must say the results are much better than my old video camera. Just need to get the Firewire installed on the PC that salesman at Jessops said I needed. Then can started on the edit.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted August 31, 2005 02:23 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep, that firewire is well worth it. From this point on putting Vids and home cine movies onto DVD via the firewire is top rate and so much nore easier than all themessing about with the analouge to pc then onto DVD. There is no loss of quality VIA FW either. Your in for a treat when you see the result.
That is one nifty little camera we got. Nothing too technical but enough features to what i could never do before. [Wink]

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Colin Robert Hunt
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- posted August 31, 2005 02:47 PM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tom. Your Super8 transferes. How are you doing this? Like I said earlier I'm just projecting on to this box and the results are not to bad. Are you doing anything else than this or is there a better way?. Have got more to do myself and are open to your comments on any other methods off getting Super8 onto disc so I can get the best results.

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Tom Photiou
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- posted September 03, 2005 05:26 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I do the same method. I to use the little film to video box. The biggest pain for me is so far i've only done silent films. I want to do my sound ones soon but not sure if its OK to plug the AUX out of the Elmo to the DV recorder.
Any idea's Colin?

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Colin Robert Hunt
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- posted September 03, 2005 09:56 AM      Profile for Colin Robert Hunt   Author's Homepage   Email Colin Robert Hunt   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not sure on this one. That was the second thing I was going to ask. Perhaps Kevin or another member can answer this. Maybe start a new thread on this one if no gets back to us on this question. Regards Colin

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Tom Photiou
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I'll do that Colin. I'll see what happens over next 24hours then start a new one. [Wink]

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