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James N. Savage 3
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 - posted November 29, 2006 06:11 AM      Profile for James N. Savage 3   Email James N. Savage 3   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi guys-

My stereo amplifier that I've had since 1985 finally gave up on me recently [Frown] . I used it for everything, from record players, to super 8, to DVD.

So, I recently bought new one. It's pretty basic, with the typical hook ups of today (tape, video-1, video-2, etc.).

Of course, it doesn't have an option for "phono", but I figured I could just hook it to another line out. The problem I'm having is, no matter what line I hook it to, the volume is VERY low for the record player, even at the maximum setting. Everything else has perfect sound.

Do I actually need a special amp designed just for record players? I thought they could be hooked to any auxilary line, like everything else.

Any information on this would be greatly appreciated! [Smile]

Nick.

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Kevin Faulkner
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 - posted November 29, 2006 07:21 AM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
Yes you will need a preamp for a manetic pickup. Most pickups (and I take it yours is a magnetic pickup) will give an output of about 5mV but most other sources will give an output of 100mV upwards.

This is why your old amp had an input marked "Phone" this had an extra stage of amplification.

It is possible to by small Magnetic Pickup preamps which you put between your record deck and a spare input on your amp.

Kev.

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Chris Quinn
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 - posted November 29, 2006 01:31 PM      Profile for Chris Quinn   Email Chris Quinn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
James,

Kev is right, you will need a pre amp. i had the same problem and bought one from ebay. You will need something similar to this.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stereo-Phono-Pre-Amp-Kit-Record-From-Turntable_W0QQitemZ280051157364QQihZ018QQcategoryZ48460QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Chris.

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James N. Savage 3
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 - posted November 30, 2006 07:31 AM      Profile for James N. Savage 3   Email James N. Savage 3   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks guys.

In all these years, I've never heard of this before. I'll check around locally first at the electronics shops.

Nick.

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John Clancy
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 - posted November 30, 2006 10:03 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage   Email John Clancy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Radio Shack will do them. You just need a stereo microphone pre-amp. I use one of these (£15 to £20) with my 35mm projector and also had to put one on my father's amplifier to hook up a record deck.

Don't attempt to play records through the other inputs otherwise you could find yourself replacing the fuse in the amp. I managed to do this when I was 16 years old. I learned the hard way.

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David Roberts
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 - posted November 30, 2006 01:53 PM      Profile for David Roberts   Email David Roberts   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
its not just a pre amp required,but a phono stage with the correct equalisation,as well as the extra gain.a mike pre amp will not have this equalisation.

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John Clancy
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 - posted December 01, 2006 08:26 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage   Email John Clancy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why does mine appear to work okay David? Is there something I'm missing?

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David Roberts
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the equalisation is to the riaa standard and this is the usual for phono stages,either moving magnet or moving coil. ive no idea why your mike amp works john,but without this equalisation,it wont sound quite as it should,but who am i to say it doesnt sound perfectly ok!

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Joerg Niggemann
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John, without RIAA equalisation, you should get an emphasized high frequency range and a weak bass reproduction. This ist the way vinyl recordings were done (pre-emphasis). Linear frequency response is achieved by using the phono pre-amp with equalisation stage (de-emphasis).

If it sounds ok for you with the mic amp, there's nothing you could miss. We are used to CD sound with excellent high frequency response. I can imagine that today vinyl records may sound "better" to us with a boosted high frequency range (without equalisation).

Joerg

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John Clancy
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 - posted December 06, 2006 03:09 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage   Email John Clancy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Next time I'll have a serious listen. I have a phone pre-amp somewhere and if I ever find that again I'll give that a try too.

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