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Michael De Angelis
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Jan,
Great to see you posting again.

I love the scene in Big Business
when they fail to make a sale,
and then they get back into the
car and start it up but only to
turn the corner and stop and at the
house that is next to the one that
they just had left from.

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Osi Osgood
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Just for completelness, I would love to find a copy of "Atoll K"
(also called "Utopia") It was the last film the two made and granted, it's certianly not prime Laurel and Hardy), there's a lot of dubbing in it from the foreign actors, but there are some good moments. ( A little editing would help the picture as well).

I have seen prints of this on Super 8 out there, and even though it's a lacklustre L&H film, it still gets top dollar,
(no doubt, mostly because of it's rarity on Super 8mm)

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Joerg Polzfusz
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Thank you very much for the info. Sounds like the Blackhawk's version of "Big Business" is much longer than the UFA-version (with its terrible German dubbing) then.
BTW: Approx. 10-15 years ago Andec was even selling a colourized print of an L&H-film (I forgot it's name [Frown] ) for approx. 150DM. Since the film was unstriped + I didn't have much money at that time + I didn't like the colourized versions shown on TV, I didn't bought a print... this was probably a mistake since I haven't seen any colourized Super8-print ever since...

Jörg

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Graham Ritchie
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Joerg
I have watched colourized versions of "Way Out West" and "The Music Box" on DVD, thankfully I have never seen it on film, colourising does not look right. I would rather watch a film as it was originally shot, and screened, not artificially modified on a computor.

Graham

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Michael De Angelis
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Agreed,

Colorization has had a
terrible effect on B&W Films.

Joerg,
If you do remember the name of the
colorized 8mm L&H film that Andec released,
please inform us here on the Forum.

Just some background on March of the Wooden
Soldiers is that when Good Times Video
originally released the first colorized
version around 15 years ago,
I was dubious of the content and resentful that
companies were mining gold in
films that were perfectly suited
in B&W.

However knowing that it was Stan's
wish for Babes in Toyland to be
shot in color, I took a chance at the colorized
video version and agreed that it was done very
well at the time. Even better than most
colorized movies.

It was also good to see that
the mouse character that constantly
feuds with the Cat and the Fiddle
is actually Mickey Mouse. Because his
knickers are red with yellow buttons.

Walt Disney's association with the
Boys and Hal Roach was very generous
to the making of this film.

Think about it for a moment,that
every time the Three Little Pigs
are featured, their theme song is
played in the film. Thus,it is without
a doubt this song is copyrighted by
Disney.

Stan and Ollies original characters
were originally to be Simple Simon
and the Pieman, but instead they
became Ollie Dee and Stannie Dum,
as a spin off of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

In the color '38 Silly Symphony Cartoon
Mother Goose Goes Hollywood
Disney has both Stan and Ollie
as Simon and the Pieman.
This too a Derann release.

Now from what I had learned, there
is recent video colorized release of
March of the Wooden Soldiers that has both the
colorized and B&W versions on a DVD.
Plus, this new release uses an improved
method of colorization that goes beyond
the earlier days of this medium.

Some Three Stooges videos have also been
made with this new process, and the
discs include the B&W original forms too.

If anyone has March of the Wooden Soldiers
and Mother Goose Goes Hollywood on 8mm film,
it make for a nice Film presentation with
invited guests.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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If I recall correctly, the film (and the German title) was revering to Sea and/or Sailors, so it's most likely "Saps At Sea" (or "Atoll K", "Sailors, Beware", "Men O'War", "Any Old Port!"... *sigh* too many possibilities!)

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Hey folks! Did you know that someone is selling an actual 35mm Laurel & hardy short SCRAM on ebay today? (11 hours left, american ebay.)

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Graham Ritchie
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Last week a friend of mine very kindly gave me a classic Laurel and Hardy poster collection here is one a "Studio Publicity Shot" did this ever appear in one of there films?
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Steve Klare
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I got a nice Blackhawk print of "Dirty Work" yesterday. The only odd thing I noticed was a bubbling sound during the opening titles behind the theme music. Is this foreshadowing the bubbling in Professor Noodle's lab or is it just something goofy in my sound track?

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Joe Caruso
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No Steve, the bubbling you hear is part of what the original titles were like; A test tube, or beaker bubbling up and down as the credits rolled - Many of the original titles on many shorts contain inventive creations - The Chimp has clowns turning a trampoline over and back revealing the credits - So, that bubbling is part of a great series of titles, now on 16mm originals and hopefully restored to DVD - Shorty

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Very Good, Joe.

Thanks, that makes the print even better!

Funny thing, too! I told my mom about it being a story about two inept chimney sweeps and it reminded her of when two sweeps from the company she did the payroll for ran a huge vacuum cleaner hose down through a basement window and accidentally sucked up (...and destroyed!) an entire load of a client's laundry.

-surely a moment worthy of Stan and Ollie!

(Reality mirrors fiction once again!)

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Michael De Angelis
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Graham,

The studio publicity picture
represents the boys in their
1940 Feature: A Chump at Oxford.
This image was not in either the
42 minute American release or
the 63 minute European release.
However both versions were released
simultaneously.

It is too bad that some of the
beginning animated
title openings had been cut from
the Blackhawk 8mm releases.

Busy Bodies begins with a
Circular Buzz Saw Blade cutting
into the Main titles
transitioning between title cards
with wood chips trailing behind the
blade. Fortunately, the short does end
with this effect in the Blackhawk 8mm prints.

As Shorty Caruso had mentioned, the Dirty Work
titles transition up and down with
the bubble sound effects.

The Midnight Patrol has most of
the Windshield Wiper opening titles intact.

Helpmates had Wallpaper rolling back
between transitions as it peeled away
the layers of a house interior.

The Chimp has two clowns holding a
trampoline hoop, with the center
of the hoop peeling away a transition
to the following title. The sequence ends
as it peels away to expose the first
shot of the story as the camera
moves in on the circus.

The diagonal transiton wipes that
are throughout The Music Box begin
with the MGM Lion, and end
with the final "The End" title.
This is significant
to the aethetics of the story - a
slope which represents those 131 steps.

Many of the introductory gag titles
were also removed when the films
were re-released to theatres years
after the original theatrical runs.

Special thanks to the
British and German DVD companies that released
material that has not been viewed in
many years.

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