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Christopher Way
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To continue on. I therefore think it will be sometime before I upgrade any further. I have just purchased a Samsung HTX810R 2.1 Sound Bar Home Theatre System w/Upscaling 1080P DVD Player. It gives me the picture and sound I want on my Toshiba 37" LCD 1080P television.

It is a case of watch and listen and see what come out.

Regards, Chris

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Christopher P Quinn
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They are looking at Terabytes of information on one card as the system will run at between 200 & 600 Megabytes a second and that is way away, so your ok Chris keep the discs spinning. [Smile]

I think that this is why there will be always collectors of film, unlike discs and memory cards you can hold it up to the light and see the film, this makes collecting film special to me, i have seen the light and am now going to check out some film.

Chris. [Wink]

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Paul Adsett
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You would think, by now, that the studios would be releasing much of their studio classics on Blue Disc, but its just not happening. I just searched Movie Unlimited Blu Disc data base and they dont even list the MGM classics Singin in the Rain, Show Boat, Meet Me in St Louis etc. It looks to me that it just is not going to happen. Maybe the studios have concluded that most collectors of classic films will not spring for replacing all their DVD titles with Blu Discs. Which leaves most BD titles modern action/adventure/ hooror-gore films aimed at the youth market and gamers who have PS3's. Since 95% of my DVD collection is from the Hollywood Classic era, this is one more reason for me not to be too anxious to jump onto Blu ray. Not only that, the studios are still releasing really great new titles and box sets on DVD, which are not being made available on Blu Disc!

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Andrew Wilson
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Very good points there Paul.If i recall Adventures of Robin Hood and Casablanca made it on HD DVD in the USA;anyway.However pity us in the UK,in my view we will NEVER see those titles released on blu ray,though mind you THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (1951),will be out here next month.As for the titles you mention i would love to see them here in the UK on blu ray.The std dvds are being sold off for peanuts.Andy.

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Alan Hayes
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There are more vintage and veteran films being issued on Blu-ray now, but I would imagine the biggest problem with making those sorts of releases viable is that the format relies heavily on the tastes of young video gamers - the target audience for the PS3 console. Hence we get lots of recent, CGI-packed fare that they might buy.

I'm sure the trend will be bucked eventually, but when you can pick up a DVD film for a fiver or less a couple of months after release, you've really got to want the improved resolution of BD as you'll be paying between £10 and £25 more on the high street.

For the record, I'm a PS3 owner who doesn't play video games, and I have a BD collection of some 50 discs.

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Osi Osgood
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Alan had a good point. I rarely buy even DVD brand new. We have a pawn shop here in town (reliable, honest one too, no stolen merchendise), and they get nearly all the big name brand new DVD's within a month or so, for four bucks. Box Sets for 10 or so dollars.

Why pay more for items other than film?

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Claus Harding
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I see the point about the tastes (or lack of same) of the gamers, but the the PS3 is but one of the quite a few Blu-Ray players out there.
The Blu-Ray format is aimed across the board for all the compatible players, so I think the economics of restoring and remastering an older film plays a bigger role in what to release initially.
With the digital internegative becoming a fairly common thing in filmmaking, it is comparatively easier to generate a file to transfer and make a very clean Blu-Ray of a new film than having to go back and be faced with three old B/W workparts like they did when reassembling "The Searchers." That's just the financial angle.

But the classics are slowly being done. "That's Entertainment" all three parts are out now, and "Singing in the Rain" is coming.
I think it's the dribble-down effect: get the more recent stuff out of the way first and then 'dig deeper' in the archive.

And the PS3 is still the best player out there, from my experience. I haven't had a single issue with any disc I have played, and they load fast.

Claus.

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Mark Williams
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Splendid news!!!!

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=249

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November 26, 2008
Blu-ray Sales Sail To All-Time Highs
by: Scott Hettrick

Further confirmation that Blu-ray sales continue to surge:

* Blu-ray had its best month of sales ever in October, with consumers buying 2.3 million discs, according to Home Media Research. That's the first time disc sales have surpassed the 2 million mark in a single month and it's nearly five times greater than the 470,000 discs purchased in October 2007.

* For the year so far, Blu-ray disc sales are running about four times higher than in 2007.

* Blu-ray disc sales have crossed the 20 million mark since the format was introduced, with 14 million of those (70%) sold this year.

* In October the 1,000 Blu-ray title was been announced for release.

And all of that is in the U.S. alone. Elsewhere the picture is even brighter in some countries such as Japan, where Blu-ray hardware sales already represent more than 50% of the total optical disc market and are expected to increase heading into the peak selling season. According to the Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association, Blu-ray recorder and player shipments reached 138,000 units in the 12 months ending in September, or 107 times the previous year's tally. It also noted that Blu-ray hardware now accounts for 31% of all home entertainment recorder and player sales.

Meanwhile, back in the U.S., Wal-Mart recently announced a big expansion of its Blu-ray Disc inventories and reported a 2.4% gain in same-store sales during October.

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Paul Adsett
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Mark, I can tell you that, at least here in Orlando, the Wal-Mart's have downgraded their store displays of Blu-Ray discs and players. In fact you will have a hard time here finding a good sampling of BD players to pick from - just one or two scruffy looking players sitting by themselves. And the shelf space that they have allocated to Blu -disc movies has shrunk significantly in the last few months. I still have the impression that regular DVD is going like gangbusters and sales of DVD's and DVD players are overwhelmingly much higher than Blu -Ray, even though Blu-ray sales are increasing a little. I think the present economic crisis will cripple significant future expansion of Blu-ray, with very few people being willing to sink hundreds of dollars into a new disc format when they are perfectly happy with what they have in regular DVD. And, by the time this economic mess is over, there will probably be a new format out!

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Osi Osgood
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Though I'm the last one to trumpet Blu Ray, I have noted that the players are becoming far more affordable, some being on sale for 139.00. I'm going down for the special sale at Radio Shack where, they are selling the 1080p ungrade DVD players for 29.00
tommorow!

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Mark Williams
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Guys,

I have to admit to being rather surprised with this latest news too,I was really expecting the exact opposite in this dire economic climate,but I suppose people can still afford the odd luxury occasionally.

Here in the UK they are really pushing the format now which they didnt bother to do last year when BD was originally launched,who can resist a Sony BD player and 6 top titles for £199!!

Cheers Mark W

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Christopher P Quinn
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I agree Mark, I'm picking mine up on the 1st, can't wait.

How the West was Won is now available on Blu ray, and is suppose to be amazing. 3 film strip Cinerama is released in Widescreen 2.89:1 aspect. The joins from the 3 camera process have been all but eliminated and the colour restoration is stunning. This is the comments i have read so far, and i will be asking for this to be in my stocking this Xmas.

I'm not sure what's happening in your neck of the woods Paul, but seems to be happening here, recession or no recession. Blu Ray is making headway.

Chris. [Confused] [Wink]

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Paul Spinks
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Most DVD sales in the UK are from supermarkets (Tesco, Asda,etc;) and high street stores like Woolworths. I have to agree with Paul that the shelf space given to Blu Ray is significantly smaller than for normal DVD's. It is larger in the more specialist stores but that is hardly proving mass market appeal is it.

Paul.

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Christopher P Quinn
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Not surprised about Woolworths as they are now in receivership. Blue ray is still relatively new, a lot of people prematurely bought HD players and are reluctant to replace having spent out. The prices are dropping quickly though and it is catching on. I don’t know about specialist stores as I don’t use them myself, but HMV and Blockbusters if that’s what you mean by specialist stores are going well on them.

It’s only a matter of time before they equal DVD sales although I agree that DVD will hang on for some time yet, it is still a good format and with up scaling it has prolonged there life span even longer. From a DVD projection point, Blu Ray must be the way forward, although I am only going to 720P as I can’t afford the 1080P projector, still, it will still be better than standard DVD, even up scaled.
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Osi Osgood
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Got my 1080p DVD upgrade player. It's quite yummy, as my wife would say!

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Christopher P Quinn
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Nice one Osi, I pick mine up monday and hoping to get the Matrix blu ray box edition. This is a modern classic Si Fi that i just love watching over and over, and better still in Hi Def. [Smile]

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Christopher P Quinn
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Just to be fair. I walked into Tescos last night (local supermarket) to browse the Blu Rays they had started to stock. I was confronted with a shelf full of DVD's and not a BD in sight. [Frown]

Wonder if i could be wrong. [Frown]

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Claus Harding
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From the US end of things, I just noticed that Costco, the big-box superstore here, has significantly expanded the Blu-Ray row after a small beginning.
I did pick up "The Shining" for $13 as they are finally having some discounted discs. "A Clockwork Orange" was available for the same price. We'll see how the format fares over Christmas.

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Bill Brandenstein
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Over the holiday weekend, I just had my first view of 1080 Blu Ray on quality equipment. Blows anything short of the best 35mm film right out of the water. If this format catches on, I feel it will bring about the death of Super 8 except for a few of us die hards who like a classic cartoon or old-time movie short at the head of a show.

The prices are coming down, but a reasonable player/projector purchase is still a long ways off for us.

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Paul Adsett
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I was back in my local Super Wal-Mart today and they have now reorganized their shelves for the Christmas season. So I decided to do a slightly more scientific survey on Blu-disc sales by counting the number of shelf rows they have assigned to regular DVD sales versus those assigned for Blu-disc sales. Each shelf row carried about 8 discs for sale). Here are the results ( drum roll please [Big Grin] ):

Regular DVD ROWS: 60
BLU-DISC ROWS: 4

Also,
Number of different DVD players for sale: 20
Number of different BD players for sale: 3

Based on this you might conclude that BD has only established about a 7% market penetration compared to regular DVD.

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Christopher P Quinn
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Paul, I'm surprised at you using a word like penetration! [Eek!] [Big Grin]

Yes, i have been looking around and have to agree now that maybe not making as much headway as i thought. But i still think that once the price comes down on discs and hardware then it will start to really kick off. I have a 720P set up now and that is even outstanding and far better than up scaling. Colours sound and picture quality is just so good, I love it.

Blu Ray is only a prelude for things to come, Ultra High Definition is going to be truly amazing!! And the BBC are getting involved in this technology with of course Japan, who else. I just hope i live long enough to see a star trek style holo deck, now how many of us would create a 1930's cinema, we would never come out of it. [Wink]

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