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Steven Sigel
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 - posted May 09, 2009 08:22 PM      Profile for Steven Sigel   Email Steven Sigel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks John!

Looking forward to meeting a lot of the UK collectors I've known electronically for years. And Mike O -- looking forward to going for a nice curry and a pint!

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Simon McConway
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I will be there for certain. I am bringing two projectors for sale, but please, don't haggle, I know what these machines (very rare) are worth:

Eumig P8...no lead, lamp or lens...a steal at £800 or £875 with two take up spools.
Boots Super 8...smokes when switched on, otherwise perfect £500

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Martin Jones
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Why should anyone even consider haggling? They sound like real bargains to me It's as well I'm not going or nobody else would get a look in.

Martin

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Adrian Winchester
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I'll be there - I don't think I've missed one since the early 1990s.

The "use it or lose" it warning is something that I hope we can view as motivating as well as alarming. The BFCCs - and of course the NFCC in Blackpool - are the 'jewels in the crown' of the UK collecting events and I'm sure that all keen collectors would agree that it would be severe blow to the hobby to lose any of them, although I suppose it would be understandable if the BFCC reverted to being an annual event in the spring (much as I would prefer to see two a year).

Without being at all critical of the good publicity already given to the BFCCs in various ways, I thought I could put forward a few ideas that could potentially help to boost the attendance, although some might already be happening, and some - even if considered valid - would be impractical in the limited time before Saturday, but could perhaps be considered prior to October.

1. Something collectors can do (that I've done for some time) is to send an email publicising the event, with an electronic flyer and a BFCC website link, to everyone they know that might respond to encouragement. Some recipients I contact are people on the fringe of the hobby, who don't subscribe to publications or make a point of attending events, but will sometimes do so if they're free and get a reminder.
2. Encourage fairly local film enthusiasts that are NOT collectors to attend. The spectacular shows and talks that the BFCC specialises in can of course also be of interest to non-collectors. I told woman I know that lives in Ealing about it and she rarely misses it, partly because she always finds some film-related memorabilia that appeals to her on the stalls.
3. This might already happen but posters/flyers in a few specialist shops might be worthwhile, if the places in question would accept them. E.g. Umit Films in Hackney; the Widescreen Centre; Sendean Cameras in St Anne's Court off Wardour St (packed with Super 8 cameras and sells camera stock); PEC in Dean St, etc. It might also be worth placing some flyers on the table provided at the Westminster Central Hall film memorabilia events.
4. Posters/flyers in film schools might be desirable; one of the most enthusiastic 'younger' collectors I know started as a film-making student. Students are unlikely to already be collectors but might well be attracted by the shows and the equipment on offer. Appropriate colleges include the London Film Academy (in Fulham Broadway so not very far from Ealing) and the National Film and Television School in Beaconsfield. I have a contact who collects film at the latter who might be willing to display material. He told me a while back that they were having difficulty finding enough 16mm cameras for the students wanting to learn how to shoot on film. To attract this sort of audience, it might be worth placing more emphasis on the dealers and the bring and buy stall on the publicity material.
5. Maybe the Blackpool approach of selling advance tickets for a slightly cheaper price is worth considering, as someone who has already bought a ticket is very likely to turn up on the day.
6. Finally, I'd suggest having a show of new and recent releases on 16mm, featuring releases from Derann plus perhaps one or two from CHC, Robbies Reels etc. Not only would this be a first at a UK event, it might also help to attract the significant number of 16mm collectors who don't collect on 8. Many 8mm collectors may not know how good modern 16mm prints can be. It's worth noting that Derann have not released anything new on 8 for some time, but are still making additions to the shorts available on 16.

If you have any further suggestions or comments that John could consider discussing with Keith, please put them forward, and let's see if we can start building up the numbers attending again!

[ May 10, 2009, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

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Graham Sinden
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Some interesting points Adrain. I like the blackpool idea of selling advance tickets, but this would require a fair bit of work. As Keith dosent have a shop, Im not sure how he could take credit card payments over the phone. And you would also need to post out every ticket naturally or you could reserve a ticket and collect it when you arrive. I agree with you about printing or emailing flyers/adverts and sending them to as many places as possible.

One point I notice about recent collecting events I attend is that a lot of collectors arrive early and initially the halls are packed, but after only 1 hour or 2, people start leaving whereas years ago collectors would hang around for the whole day drinking tea and chating etc. Why this hapens today is anyones guess. Mabye their excuses are the traffic on the roads, got food shopping to get, DIY work at home, football on telly, nice sunny day, busy day tomorrow etc. I think the 3D shows at the BFCC will make people stay (the last one I remember was packed) and mabye what we need is some more shows like that, but then the dealers will get fed up if everyone is in the cinema!

What I would like to see is a return to the old days of the BFCC where films are projected in the middle of the hall and the dealers stop trading during those shows but start up again when finished. That way the dealers can enjoy the shows and still sell films, and everybody is in the same hall will make for a nice atmosphere. There could even be a fish and chip meal as well. It might just work again.

Graham S

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Michael O'Regan
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Nice points Adrian makes.

I would particularly like to see more 16mm in the film show.

IMO, the whole event is mainly geared towards the 8mm collector - not a criticism, just making an observation. I always enjoy the day.

-Mike

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John Clancy
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If anyone would like to purchase the new 16mm releases so we could put them on that would solve that issue. We don't get review prints of 16mm material.

Other than that there are some very good suggestions. I used to get flyers in plenty of central London stores (including the Virgin Megastore at one time - almost 500 people came to that convention) but as I no longer live there that's out of the question.

We'll see how this Saturday goes but assuming enough people attend to warrant Keith continuing then any volunteers to help spread the word would be gratefully received. I have to say though that there is no chance of the cinema and the dealers being in the same room.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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Personally, I believe that 16mm collectors don't need to see samples of what is on the market, just because quality is usually very high.
Maybe it would be nice to know what prints are available in 16mm and who are the dealers. Derann usually indicates new 16mm prints in the newsletter but it's not clear if these prints are the one and only they have, and CHC usually doesn't keep the site updated (for example I discovered 2 weeks ago that One man band is available also in 16mm and no indication is reported on the website).

BTW, John, have you already decided the list of the super8 new and recent releases show? I would like to know what I'm missing

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John Clancy
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Keith hasn't put it together yet Fabrizio. He has it all worked out in his head though. Hopefully I'll be able to get the programme up on the site before we leave here early Friday morning.

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Stuart Reid
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I'm really looking forward to this convention. I hope Keith will include one or two of the 16mm prints I lent him last week, poor guy looked knackered at the 9.5 meet!

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David Erskine
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 - posted May 12, 2009 10:51 AM      Profile for David Erskine   Email David Erskine   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Now - this'll cheer you all up! I've just realised I can't get to Ealing this time (due to other commitments (making money)) so you'll have to raise an empty cup to me. Someone tell Hutchinson that I'm sorry. Cheers, David E

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Kevin Faulkner
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I'm trying my best to get along for a few hours but family commitments may prevent me. Mum having had a couple of strokes a few months a go means she needs looking after more now and also its the weekend my Daughter is over before her school trip to Morocco.
I had every thing worked out for the following weekend which the BFCC would normally fall on and then realised the date had changed. [Frown]

Hope to see you guys there but I cant promise.

Kev.

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John Clancy
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Terrible news Kevo. I hope Mum fully recovers.

Everyone else bear in mind any convention you attend could be the last. Keith has worked miracles keeping the BFCC going on such a large scale for so long but given the constant cost increases and smaller attendances it's not going to carry on forever. I'm always amazed the hobby has survived as long as it has and in this regard we shall be carrying out a survey at this convention to see if it's worth continuing.

So please do everything you can to get there because then the BFCC has more chance of surviving to the 58th event and beyond. We'll all miss it when it's gone.

STOP PRESS!!! Keith's just emailed me the first draft of the programme so take a look at the next event page of bfcc.biz.

[ May 13, 2009, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: John Clancy ]

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Mark Williams
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Just seen the full line up on the BFCC site,looks like a really superb line up there John.

I have just posted links to the BFCC site on various forum sites I subscribe to,so hopefully we shall see a few new faces this time around.

See you Saturday!!

Cheers MW

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Fabrizio Mosca
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I'm quite sorry I'll miss this convention, it's an interesting program.

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Mike Peckham
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I'm hoping to be there - shan't know until the morning though if I can get away. If I can, I look forward to the lunch time meet up in the projection area!

(hopefully) see you there! [Smile]

Mike [Cool]

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David Pannell
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Any further thoughts on wearing name tags?

I know this was mooted sometime ago, but I think it probably died a death.

I have only been to one previous BFCC meet which was in October the year-before-last, and can only remember a handfull of people - it must be an age thing!

If not, I do hope people will not be backward in coming forward to introduce themselves to one another.

Just a thought!

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Stuart Reid
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So is everyone from this forum meeting at a certain place at a certain time?

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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I suppose that it will be around the projection area at the end of the 12:15 show. See you all tomorrow.

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Fabrizio Mosca
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Please, shoot lots of picture! [Big Grin]

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Michael O'Regan
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I'll be there.
Anybody who doesn't already know me - just follow the Cork accent [Smile]

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John Clancy
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Thanks everyone who came along to show support. It's made all the difference and the atmosphere was wonderful today. I think the single dealer hall was a big success and the shows were as good as ever.

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Stuart Fyvie
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I had a great day. Got some bargains- 'The sea Hawk' - '42nd. St' for £25.
Also the latest Armchair Odeon Dvd. Spent my budget!
Good to meet up with some forum members, Jean-Marc, That film expo in Paris sounds worth a visit on Euro-star and your home cinema sounds amazing!
John C. Thanks for the cider, I think I needed a few more to make sense of the 'Purple Monster!'
Fish and chips with my old mate from the BBC Bob Greenwood for lunch, then back to the hall in time for the shows. The 3D film was quite effective. Lots of 'Depth' shots of lovely old projectors.
I'm having a showing next week of my 'spoils'.HD DLP projector running alongside 8mm GS 1200.
Thanks again to Keith, Ken, John and the team. It is quite an effort to pull this sort of thing of. Hope to be at the next one.

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Graham Sinden
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Excellent day out. Purchased some nice bargains and also the Armchair Odeons 4 DVD and the 3d show. John, you were right, the single dealers hall had such a buzz about it and it was rarely empty. Hopefully the october convention will be the same as the atmosphere was so good having everybody in the same room. I wish that was done last year. Im sure the dealers preferred as I saw a lot of sales taking place. My only complaint (nothing to do with keith) is that the toilets are disgusting, enough said.

Sorry I had to leave at the start of the 3D show, but I was going out in the evening and had to get back to pick up a mate.

Graham S

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