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Andrew Wilson
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 - posted May 03, 2009 07:21 AM      Profile for Andrew Wilson   Author's Homepage   Email Andrew Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As all forum members here are film buffs,here is my question for all members.True theres many good/great titles in the market place,but how many are TRUE BLU RAY?.Andy.

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Mark Todd
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 - posted May 03, 2009 07:40 AM      Profile for Mark Todd   Email Mark Todd   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well as we get more older tiles coming out on BR you will get some that look about the same as dvds, or may even look worse if you will as show more source problems up, unless they clean things up, but then you loose the filmie look.!!!!
The L+H dvd set isn`t cleaned up but nice and sharp etc so when you put them through a VP set up they look like you are actually projecting films and super quality.
I see the BR prices are starting to drop fast now, as well they should, but I don`t think they will ever dent std DVD sales by that much.
What set up do you use for BR etc now Andy.
Best Mark.
PS nice to see you about.

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Andrew Wilson
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 - posted May 03, 2009 11:17 AM      Profile for Andrew Wilson   Author's Homepage   Email Andrew Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark ive got three tvs.two of which are 1080p,they are a LG37INCH,and a onn26inch lcds.My third one is a sony42" lcd and its 1080i.Theres not much between 1080p and 1080i.Andy.

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Christopher P Quinn
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 - posted May 03, 2009 01:20 PM      Profile for Christopher P Quinn   Email Christopher P Quinn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A blue-ray is a blu-ray, the problem is with the transfer, and it is the same with DVDs. The quality of the transfer and/or the source material makes all the difference. For instance the film The Searchers, released on blu-ray is a good benchmark for an excellent transfer. This blu-ray really shows what can be done with an old film, it is out standing. Another blu-ray on animation is of course Pinocchio, and a thread is running at the moment on this blu-ray/DVD. I watched The Cowboys last week and was slightly disappointed when the film started; it cleaned up after the first 6-7 minutes, but was a little inconsistent through out, although still way better than the DVD version.

DVD’s I believe have still got a market, until blu-rays and players come down to the same price. I like to buy classic TV sitcoms on DVD, none that I want are yet on blu-ray, and some will never be for technical reasons, such as Hancock Half Hour.

Another thing is LCD TVs do not give a very good results even with up scaled DVD’s, but put a blu-ray on after an up scaled DVD and the difference is phenomenal! With DVD projected the hardware in a projector can cope better, and can produce a far superior picture for DVD, I won’t pretend to know why, because I don’t. Anyway, with the fast majority of people watching films at home on LCD TV’s it will become more apparent that blu-ray gives them a better picture.

My biggest moan about blu-ray is that I can’t buy what I always want. I pre ordered Dean Spanley on DVD as not available to pre order on blu-ray, and this is a new film!
The other thing is not being able to region free my player. [Frown]

Yes blu-rays are good, some are fantastic, but not all blu-rays are on older films. To see a top transfer I do highly recommend The Searchers, you won’t be disappointed.

Andrew, The main difference between 1080i and 1080P is in motion blurring, 1080P is better, but I agree, not massively, but this can depend on your equipment as well. There is a new 200 HZ TV on the market that should make things a lot better.

Mark, The L&H set were restored, but being so old they still retain the look of film running, scratches, dirt, flicker, gate movement. It’s great when watching these classics. [Smile]
Chris.

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Mark Todd
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I didn`t know that about the L+D dvds Chris, they have obviously not over done it then, Funny they should use the colourised versions done in the early 80,s in that sense as they are very poor, the odd one re-done more recently in the set looks far better, considering how much better they could have been tackled now, why use those ???
Saying that my nippers prefer them projected in B+W but they may have picked up a bit on my wittering on that front !!!!
I think oddly LCD projectors show even DVD,s better than LCD TV,s. many look better far bigger on an LCD VP even than a CRT TV as the VP seems to clean them up somehow.
I`m surprised you havent gone VP Andy as ones that will cope with HD are now very affordable considering you were such a big cine projection fan.

Best Mark.

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Christopher P Quinn
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Yes that’s right Mark; projectors LCD/DLP give a far better image for DVD’s. LCD TV’s can’t cope with the lower resolution as well as your VP.

The 21 L&H box set is a restored set, the colourised versions are not to my taste as I prefer watching them on the original B&W.

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