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Glenn Brady
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 117
From: North Carolina, USA
Registered: Nov 2006
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posted August 09, 2009 07:33 AM
Mark wrote, "I`am at a bit of a loss here why people are so concerned over what Osi thinks. Say what you like politely, ponder what you like,and Osi always puts things in a nice firendly and open way."
Re-read what Osi wrote earlier:
"If I win something, then it's a legitimate win. If I lose on an auction, then that is fine, as long as I played fair. Bid sniping is really not playing fair. It's like the person as a child, (and you still see it as adults) when a person cuts in line. Everyone gets pissed at the arrogant S.O.B. who just thinks because he can get away with something, then that makes it O.K.
Now, of course, that person, who will cut in line, will suddenly feel that he has been wronged is someone cuts in front of him! Oh boy, he'll get really pissed, but hey, it's O.K. to cut in front of all those other people who played by the rules.
The bid sniper is the person cutting in line. Can you get away with it? Yes? Does that make it right? No.
"We'll OSI, we don't live in a perfect world, so that makes it O.K.
Every time we say this, we're allowing ourselves to slide, as a society, just that much closer to the precipice, inches away from falling off the edge, and then, as were falling, having the nerve to look surprised ... "Duh, how did we come to this?"
"Cutting in line (sniping) is A-O.K. because I can get away with it"
"Drinking and driving is A-O.K., because I can get away with it."
(tell that to a friend of mine who had they're four year old smeared into the pavement a year ago.)
... and the depravity goes on and on."
This is nice and friendly? Osi didn't know what he was talking about (as he's now admitted) and yet he accused those of us who snipe as being arrogant S.O.B. cheaters on a par with drunk drivers. You expect no one to react to this nonsense?
[ August 09, 2009, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: Glenn Brady ]
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Dan Lail
Film God
Posts: 2110
From: Loganville, Georgia, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 09, 2009 01:04 PM
Osi wrote.....
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A person who says that sniper bidding isn't a bad thing, would raise hell if someone else sniped them, plain and simple.
I have been outbid and out sniped many times, But was not upset about it. I never raised "hell" about it. Being outbid is too be expected some times.
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I wasn't that upset about "snipers". It appears that snipers are a rather touchy bunch. Merely stating an opinion about something doesn't mean your whiney or some other less regal wording concerning it. It's merely an opinion.
Osi, you were upset about snipers. Your analogies showed that. Your opinions display your views. Your views on sniping show your are irritated ("raise hell")when being outbid by a sniper.
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Bear in mind that I am not the only person who feels this way and actually, if you look at ebay's regulations, they frown on this as well.
Just because many share the same opinions does not make those opinions logical or correct. One person can be right and 1000 people can be wrong. In this case I am reading many logical opinions showing that sniping on Ebay is a good bidding strategy. Please show where Ebay's regulations frown on sniping.
In a live auction they do say "going once, going twice, sold" before bring the gavel down. this gives people a last chance in the last few seconds to place another bid.
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 09, 2009 01:56 PM
Dan ...
ThanX for your opinion. It turned out, at the end of all of this, that I was wrong as to what a sniping program is. The kind of program I was talking about is what Winbert was relating to in that new post he has started.
So what I was ticked off about, turned out to not be a snipe program at all. Hey I learned something! (proof that I'm not too old).
I was fascinated at how "impassioned" folks can become about things, (hey, we figured out who snipes ... hee hee).
It turns out we only hear from some people if they get riled up, but at least we heard from some largely, new people. More discussion means more knowledge. After all, I learned something!
ThanX, by the way, for those who came to my "aid", much appreciated. My opinion is no better than anyone elses.
... but I will always do my best to err on the side of fairness.
YEP! There's that word again!
YAY! On with the onslaught!
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 09, 2009 04:31 PM
Sounds like that is so, though I never said that this was the case in this particular situation.
It is interesting how much this series of posts has morphed. It reminds me of the "telephone" game from our childhood. One starts the circle saying, perhaps, "My computer is on the fritz" and by the time it gets completely around the circle, it becomes, "Pie is best produced by Hans and Fritz!", or something along those lines.
Along with identifying the difference between snipe bidding and this other program, i do know the difference between the two.
Snipe bidding seems a little un-necessary, unless you wouldn't be available for the end of an auction.
Though I have no evidence to the contrary, I have heard that the program which has been earlier described, does exist.
By the way, that statement I made about ebay's reply to me wasn't a matter of policy, they just stated in a private e-mail to me from somebody behind the scenes, (who works for and at ebay), was that they personally frown upon the use of snipe bidding. As far as I know, they have no actual policy against it. Maybe it's because of just what I exampled on this series of posts.
Little is known about snipe bidding and therefore it seems that it is more the mystery of the "snipe" than the presence of sniping. As one of the other people who has posted on this has said, if ebay is still profiting by the use of the snipe, they aren't going to stop it.
Honestly, i see no need to stop it.
... and now, back to the projector!
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"All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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