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Topic: "An Ebay program/software" that could Osi mean
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 08, 2009 07:50 PM
Hi folks,
I don't write this in the previous thread: Caution and advice on ebay ...
because it will keep shifting the topic from shill bidding to snipping and then to another topic. So I just decided to make a new thread instead.
Osi and John mentioned the "program/software" that can bid automatically $1 higher from the highest bidder (so there is no necessary to put an outrageous bid).
I would say there is no SUCH program.... but I can reveal THERE IS a way to do that....
But before explaining this, I want to show (especially to John Black) that I have no bad intention to Osi. This is simply to help him understand, especially this Ebay issue is not the first he expressed, but at least (by a quick search) I found these 2 similar topics started by Osi:
1. Rigged auctions on ebay?
2. An ebayer to avoid ...
And we can see many forum members are trying to help Osi to understand Ebay this similar issue.
Now back to "program/software" that previously mentioned...
This can be a software, but can also manually done by an Ebayer with several IDs.
If he is watching an item and found there is another ebayer has placed a bid.... he can place a bid to outbid that higher bidder with an outrageous amount then .... RETRACT it (with any reason).
By doing this he can see what was the max bid of the previous higher bidder.
Then.... with another Ebay ID he can bid at normal bid to outbid that seller.
That was my brother's experience a year ago when he retracted his and suddenly he could see the previously higher bidder was.
However, Ebay still has rules about bid retraction and I don't know if the same rules still apply. Read they FAQ section here.
But for sure, it can be only done prior 1 hours to the end of auction. So can't be used against the sniper.
To sum up, it can work only for non-attractive items (not many people are interested, so no sniper)
and secondly.... it is not fair (that is why Ebay limits the retraction for one ID within 6 months).
cheers,
-------------------- Winbert
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John W. Black
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 536
From: Deptford,N.J.
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted August 09, 2009 11:54 PM
there is an article there on an ebay scam that cost art dealers thousands.Dan,I'm just trying to say be careful,I'll NEVER understand why by trying to help others by alerting them of possible irregularities,I get a hard time,If you really want brass tacks,once when I got ripped off on ebay and figured out how they did it,I spent four hours with the online ebay guy,who finally said that not only what I said was probably what happened,but that ebay had absolutly no recourse for the scam.Be glad to tell you if you want.I like buying from time to time there,glad it's there,BUT,buyer beware.
-------------------- Beat em or burn em,they go up pretty quick
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 10, 2009 02:43 AM
John,
if you are talking this article:
http://www.hugesettlements.com/Personal-Injury/939.html
then that what I exactly say above, i.e. Bid retraction (cancellation). So by doing this, the bidder can see what the previously highest bid was.
The Ebay regulations says:
Taken from http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-retract.html
quote: (Can we retract the bid for an) Auction ends in less than 12 hours: Yes, but only if you retract the bid within one hour of placing it
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quote: Bids retracted within the last 24 hours of a listing can be viewed as an example of shill bidding, which is a serious violation of eBay policy
So what the above article says that is a form of shill bidding, something that we all agree to say here that is an unfair act.
The article doesn't blame it on the sniper it self (something that we discussed with Osi in the other thread).
Anyway, thanks for your warning, but not everybody here (at least myself) cannot attend the film conventions, meeting with other collectors or such as, due to the individual reasons.
And Ebay can fill our needs because we can still grow our hobby (not only films) without need to visit fleas market etc. And most important, we can do while we are working.... :-)
-------------------- Winbert
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