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Topic: Snow White Blu ray
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Luis Caramelo
Master Film Handler
Posts: 494
From: Funchal
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted July 15, 2014 11:11 AM
hi!friends this inssue still sppling alot of diferente opinions.i,m also a film lover but i must admit,if digital didn.t exists we were not able to see some many of films we love,all the features i got in color i have the same title in dvd,just to watch the diferences,about snow white i like more the picture of mine super 8 feature instead dvd,i think dvd it,s more close to film than bluray(this my opinion).
like dvd/super 8,they good and bad prints
i got classics in dvd collection they look stunning in my 10ft screen,and i must say some digests in super 8 i got from the same titles they don,t look so good
i know we could be seating here all day .at the end the conclusion should be the same,
to finish,between a good print of super 8 and the same title in dvd,i preferer film,because that,s history of cinema more than a century ,film it,s the way it was concebid and show to the audiences.
the natural look even not to sharper.and the color saturation,etc
but like i said digital allows to restore what it,s missing already---
regards:
luis caramelo
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Vidar Olavesen
Film God
Posts: 2232
From: Sarpsborg, Norway
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 15, 2014 12:09 PM
Good for you that you don't see it. I've heard this before, they say it's perfect, yet I see it. But, again, we are entitled to our opinions and I stick with mine :-) I'll bet you stick with yours too
I can't show a video of it, as youtube and captured video is even worse. My brain picks up on the movement (stutter) which is also visible in for example GTA games, Need for Speed which are both games I can not play due to the stutter, but Burn Out is not suffering from it. DVD's and Blu-Rays, as well as cinema, all suffer from this (I can't help what my brain recognizes that yours don't)
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Pete Richards
Master Film Handler
Posts: 302
From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 25, 2014 06:54 AM
Sorry Vidar, but unless the disc was encoded incorrectly, there is no difference between a film projector and a true 24fps digital projector as far as judder goes. I'd suggest that you have only experienced the (far more common) 60Hz projectors that do not have 24 panels.
Single chip DLP will give problems (due to the colour wheel causing temporal issues), but it just isn't possible on a proper digital projector with a panel that operates at an exact multiple of 24. There is nothing to see as you get exactly one frame per displayed image, the film and digital presentations are identical as far as movement goes, you get 24 separate images every second (usually doubled to 48 in both cases), there is no difference.
There are discs such as Casino Royal that have encoding errors that cause judder, but that is a mastering fault, nothing to do with the projector.
If you see it on film as well, all you are experiencing is pans that are too fast, 24fps doesn't allow for fast movement on either film or digital. We have come to like the limitations of 24fps (i.e. lots of motion blur) but it does mean that as a cinematographer, you are really limited to slow speeds when moving the camera. Break the rule, and you break the image.
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Paul Adsett
Film God
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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 25, 2014 12:51 PM
If you are sensitive to 'rainbows' then you need to stay well away from single chip DLP projectors which are notorious for generating rainbows that can be detected by a sizeable percentage of the population.. LCD projectors, and 3-chip DLP projectors, never ever generate rainbows.
Many projectors now include advanced features such as frame creation, that can eliminate frame judder in fast motion scenes, but I have never found it necessary to activate any of them on my Panasonic AE4000U, which produces a gorgeous image, about as film-like that digital is capable of.
And lets be totally honest here. This week I went to see a 35mm showing of the Clint Eastwood film Play Misty For Me. I enjoyed the show, and the fact that it was a 35mm presentation made it extra special. But I have to be brutally honest and say IMO my home digital projection of the DVD is far better quality in both picture and sound for this particular film print. And I love film.
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Pete Richards
Master Film Handler
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From: Australia
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 25, 2014 08:53 PM
Your Benq doesn't have a 24Hz panel, so you will see awful judder on it.
A well setup projector and delivery mechanism will *not* have any more judder than film does, it is easy to test for, and the installations I look after simply do not have it. We monitor for dropouts and they don't occur in well maintained systems. It is pretty easy for current equipment to lock in at 24fps, but some systems are not setup correctly, or do not actually run at a multiple of 24fps and you will see judder.
I can detect a missing frame by eye at up to around 55fps, after that I have to use the sensing equipment that works up to 300fps, I'm pretty sure no-one here has eye circuitry that is more accurate ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
We handle acquisition systems that run at thousands of frames per second and display systems that run at 144fps without any issues, so 24fps isn't difficult, just some people don't do their homework, and you get poor output
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